(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[7200]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[Open Round 3 Board 1 - Dae Hyuk Ko 7d (w) vs Mingming Yin 1p (b)]PW[Dae Hyuk (Daniel) Ko]PB[Mingming (Stephanie) Yin]WR[7d]BR[1p]DT[2011-08-02]EV[2011 US Open]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[power [3k\]: wow
power [3k\]: hi usgo!
DrH0use [2d\]: hi
evanj [3d\]: Bonjour monsieur maison
DrH0use [2d\]: bonjour prof
USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the AGA E-Journal's live coverage of the 2011 US Open taking place at the US Go Congress in Santa Barbara, CA.  This is round 3, board 1.  I'm Dennis Wheeler, your game recorder this morning.
Littleman [4k\]: beautifull empty board
evanj [3d\]: Let us not sully it with stones
Littleman [4k\]: hello Dennis
DrH0use [2d\]: a quel heure!?
power [3k\]: is there a video broadcast?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: is this game with a live stream commentary again?
evanj [3d\]: bientït
Blakharaz [2d?\]: hey... that was my question ^^
evanj [3d\]: er, bientot
power [3k\]: I want to see players, Blakharaz^^
bleikipper [20k\]: more eloqient but slower, too :P
Blakharaz [2d?\]: me too but commentary is as good as players
power [3k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Blakharaz [2d?\]: nice :D
power [3k\]: usgo, is it you near the players? If so, nice beard :))
baltimore [3k\]: came on here to post the video link.... looks like power bear me
USGO1 [-\]: The TD says start, the players bow
]RE[B+0.50]
;B[dp]C[baltimore [3k\]: I'm going to be using a stationary camera this morning
]
;W[pp]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: *waves hand and says the bearded guy hello
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;B[dc]C[b3n [4k?\]: who is ahead?
golgo13 [8k\]:  she's 1p
]
;W[pd]C[power [3k\]: whats he said?
USGO1 [-\]: he said his car battery died because he left his lights on last night, so he had to ask for a ride this morning
tinytim: waves hands and say HI to lady with beard
]
;B[nc]
;W[qf]C[power [3k\]: ok, thank you )
zertyu: pipi caca popo
kurdt [6k\]: lol
zertyu: hihihi
DrH0use [2d\]: la magie d'internet...
tinytim: Go Dae Hyuk! play ko today too.
]
;B[jd]
;W[cf]
;B[de]C[tinytim: Stephanie, show us girl powa
DrH0use [2d\]: i prefer w already
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;W[bd]
;B[dg]C[DrH0use [2d\]: hum?
DrH0use [2d\]: joss
DrH0use [2d\]: joseki?
evanj [3d\]: all that means is you don't like the kobayashi formation
lilomar [8k\]: I like her style
]
;W[cg]C[kurdt [6k\]: all the b's influence is concentrate to k17
Tetriste [1d\]: joseki or not, I believe it's special strategy
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;B[dh]C[covtxrider [9k\]: she spent more time on her first move than these
power [3k\]: b+
tinytim: 1 prefer me
TheClown [2d\]: easily revert to some older joseki
covtxrider [9k\]: I think she has a definite plan
evanj [3d\]: could you make a vaguer comment please, covtxrider?
Tetriste [1d\]: there are things...
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;W[cc]C[covtxrider [9k\]: there are
tinytim: my game plan is escape unless i win
relknes [6k\]: o15 is getting huge
power [3k\]: stop him, Santa!
Tetriste [1d\]: c12?
kurdt [6k\]: no
MXHero [3d\]: d13 is unique; it has not reverted to a different joseki
USGO1 [-\]: Danny gets up from the table for a break
hnnnn [4k\]: ESCAPER!
kurdt [6k\]: lol
b3n [4k?\]: with that influence Black seems ahead already, correct?
Littleman [4k\]: no
covtxrider [9k\]: is this wall working well with k16?
USGO1 [-\]: he returns with a cup of coffee
Tetriste [1d\]: wall got holes
lilomar [8k\]: The more I look at it, the more I like c12 for black.
tinytim: looks strong wall to me
golgo13 [8k\]: almost ideal
edenchen [3k\]: mx!
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;B[dd]C[edenchen [3k\]: turn on your sound
edenchen [3k\]: can we have a game?
corker: an invasion invitation
gogonuts [4d\]: bb11?
gogonuts [4d\]: w i mean
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;W[ch]
;B[ci]C[golgo13 [8k\]: b winning so far
Rikku [1k\]: it's even
MXHero [3d\]: no, b is not winning
gogonuts [4d\]: c11 is very tough
]
;W[bi]C[gweisz [-\]: i liked more b11 than c12
golgo13 [8k\]: w got bare 10pts
Tetriste [1d\]: I think I prefered c12 even if w got in on top
golgo13 [8k\]: &barely
Tetriste [1d\]: (for b)
gogonuts [4d\]: b11 now is a clear concession
MXHero [3d\]: it's not about the points, it's about w having no weak groups
MXHero [3d\]: it's only about the points at the end
Tetriste [1d\]: only the start though
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming starts to play, but then pulls back and puts the stone back in the bowl
AngelOfGo [-\]: :O
Nyanjilla [-\]: tut tut
Littleman [4k\]: partially undo...
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;B[cj]C[ugtuzi: is that allowed?
mikezzz [?\]: yh as long as the hand hasnt left the stone
]
;W[df]
;B[ef]
;W[bj]
;B[ck]C[gogonuts [4d\]: this look unhappy for w
sierra: no live feed for this game?
lilomar [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
b3n [4k?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
mikezzz [?\]: wouldnt d 11 be a good cut for white to seperate them
IFailHard [12k\]: but you can't see board well..
MXHero [3d\]: yeah b11 feels like a slight underplay, but maybe w f14 is good?
sierra: thanks!
gweisz [-\]: why white d14?
mikezzz [?\]: yh f 14 would b good but its far in 
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;W[if]C[golgo13 [8k\]: f14 .... like a recent honinbo game
Damage: i wonder can a pro put a stone on the board, have their hand on it, and pull it bakc again :D
mikezzz [?\]: yh
mate105 [2d\]: yes
mikezzz [?\]: aslong as the hand doesnt leave it
Damage: :D
Damage: You could use that to your advantage
Littleman [4k\]: how ?
MXHero [3d\]: j14 is asking "how thick is your wall, b?"
gogonuts [4d\]: dicey question
mate105 [2d\]: I couldnt see Yin's face :D
Rikku [1k\]: it's not really thick
Rikku [1k\]: lots of cutting points
gogonuts [4d\]: k14 is the fighting answer
mikezzz [?\]: yh u could but its also showing ideas that your having its better to remain still
Bogdan [3k\]: but it is long...
MXHero [3d\]: yeah, b can either say "not thick" or "thick enough" :)
gogonuts [4d\]: b h15, w L15 seems to good for w
Littleman [4k\]: j12 
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;B[he]C[mikezzz [?\]: i am still very amatuer but in this case for w id of gone d 11 or f 14 an try to reduce the wall
ikewa [9k\]: hm
gogonuts [4d\]: but b was willing to conceed
covtxrider [9k\]: d11 is ladder
mikezzz [?\]: an from here try an make sure no b connects around j 15 16
Damage: You could use the put down pull back
Bogdan [3k\]: isn't this submissive? I know, it is a 3k question
Damage: to your advantage
gogonuts [4d\]: it is
MXHero [3d\]: b's top side is still nice, if he gets to keep it
Damage: to put it down on a point where the opponent would have to think about or to distract them for a second then pull it back and play another movwe
Damage: as if saying u did it in the wrong order
poirette [2d\]: f14 now?
ikewa [9k\]: right side has more potencial now
Damage: So they think about the first "move:D
]
;W[ff]C[mikezzz [?\]: id attack o 17
poirette [2d\]: good :)
MXHero [3d\]: cool
ikewa [9k\]: good
sasa264 [12k\]: cool
nightbex [11k?\]: oh
gogonuts [4d\]: but its much simpler than any fighting answer, and b was happy on the left - so b decided that this kept enough of the advantage
letsplay [7k\]: i don't understand this though. what is w's plan?
mikezzz [?\]: why f 14
gogonuts [4d\]: w is needling b
MXHero [3d\]: this is just testing to see how b protects
MXHero [3d\]: there is aji; w wants to find out what the aji is
Damaging [10k\]: seems like this is the most interesting game
mikezzz [?\]: but its enticing b to conect an if he does w would hav a more difficult job on the top left
Bogdan [3k\]: IMHO w is asking for trouble. Why use the aji so early?
golgo13 [8k\]: in the honinbo game, f14 player eventually lost the game
mw2a [1k\]: e13 or g15 i think are the 2 moves w looks at with this probe
MXHero [3d\]: bogdan, maybe w will not use the aji yet, just expose it
ikewa [9k\]: w is trying to limit b influence at center
poirette [2d\]: f14 was urgent. if b f13 b territory becomes quite huge
MXHero [3d\]: (but i honestly have no clue when it's good to use it)
gogonuts [4d\]: f14 is the only place to start here, but b has several different answers - so it makes sense to ask early
mikezzz [?\]: as b id go g 14
Barnabas [5k\]: So Danny gonna crush his opponent again? :)
kaketoe [11k\]: probe is basically a move to see what side your opponent prefers, right?
mikezzz [?\]: its defensive and offensive
poirette [2d\]: g14 is not an option
USGO1 [-\]: Several times she reaches for the bowl, but pulls back
MXHero [3d\]: kaketoe yes
]
;B[fg]C[kaketoe [11k\]: allright, thanks
mikezzz [?\]: poirette why not
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming gets up for a break
poirette [2d\]: because it makes a bad shappe straight away - broken tobi
baltimore [3k\]: and so does USGO1
mikezzz [?\]: ahhhh
lilomar [8k\]: epicbeard cedes his seat to the king of cakes
gogonuts [4d\]: f13 is expensive in the corner
IFailHard [12k\]: Where did the bearded dude with awesome cap go?
mikezzz [?\]: f 13 or 15 makes a unconnected connection  and also makes b more thick ??
gogonuts [4d\]: but b decided beeing thick was worth it
poirette [2d\]: f13 is fighting move
USGO1 [-\]: he went for a break
Zorba [5d\]: e15 e13 g14 g15 f15 f17 ?
gogonuts [4d\]: f13 not a fighting move in this case: it makes b thick, but conceeds endgame
BurzoS [3d\]: where left grandpa?
IFailHard [12k\]: he's back!
BurzoS [3d\]: cool
gweisz [-\]: so f13 is a decent middle game play =D
hnnnn [4k\]: WELCOME BACK!
BurzoS [3d\]: welcome back papy:))
covtxrider [9k\]: whats going on in the game behidn danny?  is that kid winning?
mikezzz [?\]: w e 15 starting of ko an cuts b
ikewa [9k\]: tada
BurzoS [3d\]: how strong is that kido?
mikezzz [?\]: or is that a bad move ??
covtxrider [9k\]: what board is that?
clydesdale [2k\]: does this game have a video stream somewhere?
USGO1 [-\]: USGO1 swallowed some water wrong and had to take a quick break to clear his throat
lilomar [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
clydesdale [2k\]: thanks
mikezzz [?\]: anyone plz answer me lol
ikewa [9k\]: m17 maybe?
mw2a [1k\]: the game behind is board 3
gogonuts [4d\]: b is proably planing to counter L15 with o15 now
mikezzz [?\]: can someone answer me plz lol
ikewa [9k\]: with audio?
Elscouta [1d\]: mikezzz : I guess everyone here doesn't understand what you were saying
gogonuts [4d\]: as w i would just play k4 now
MXHero [3d\]: there is no ko mikezzz
Elscouta [1d\]: as there is no possibility of ko anywhere
golgo13 [8k\]: g14 only move?
Elscouta [1d\]: i would e15 e13 g14, but this feels bad shape
gweisz [-\]: mmm if white let the f14-f13 exchange as it is
]
;W[ee]
;B[eg]C[gweisz [-\]: f14 turns into a bad move
]
;W[gf]C[Elscouta [1d\]: :)
gweisz [-\]: so k4 is not an option
gogonuts [4d\]: w is the heel-biting type :-)
]
;B[hf]
;W[gg]
;B[hg]C[MXHero [3d\]: this is going to get so crazy
Bogdan [3k\]: w is asking for trouble. 
gogonuts [4d\]: w is the kind of player that gets mad when the opponent answers cautiously
Elscouta [1d\]: is there really another option than g12?
BurzoS [3d\]: hey USGO  is there any option to have a bear while broadcasting ?:))
gweisz [-\]: hehe
poirette [2d\]: h12 other option
lugubrious [2k\]: bear meat is usually tough
BurzoS [3d\]: beer**** sorry
clydesdale [2k\]: who's the little kid in the background?
USGO1 [-\]: don't you want to see the real game?
poirette [2d\]: or g11
covtxrider [9k\]: its only 9:30 in the morning
BurzoS [3d\]: I want to see Stepfanie winning
mw2a [1k\]: already 9:30 and not drunk? what's the matter w/ you
MXHero [3d\]: g11 is too thin it seems
covtxrider [9k\]: (proper response is 'scotch?')
BurzoS [3d\]: :))
MXHero [3d\]: g11 f15 g15 g12 is a problem
BurzoS [3d\]: hey mw2a
poirette [2d\]: true
USGO1 [-\]: The kid playing on board 2 is ZiYang Hu 1p
BurzoS [3d\]: maybe not drunk but smoked for sure :))
shintaru [19k\]: this an unlimited time game? or the running on a clock that we dont see
]
;W[gh]
;B[fd]C[mw2a [1k\]: well, as long as you got your priorities straight
MXHero [3d\]: this feels like such a disaster
Elscouta [1d\]: rules say 2hours main time
]
;W[gd]
;B[ge]
;W[fe]C[QualityDr [10k?\]: Is W a Korean insei?
kaketoe [11k\]: why is white doing this?
]
;B[fc]C[Ananda [2k\]: w is toast
covtxrider [9k\]: now k4 is sente?
gogonuts [4d\]: toas is saying too much, but w lost endgame 
MXHero [3d\]: now h12 i'd guess, but it feels so bad!
kaketoe [11k\]: but can anyone explain to me why he is playing those moves at all?
Elscouta [1d\]: i don't see how w could have benefited from this invasiong
poirette [2d\]: h12 would be thank you move i think
mw2a [1k\]: CUT!
]
;W[hh]C[poirette [2d\]: argl
goeoejun [-\]: wha
Damaging [10k\]: to reduce blacks huge territory
TheClown [2d\]: hmmm i choose h11
Damaging [10k\]: that's why
MXHero [3d\]: hehe, well it does feel very bad
godhunter [5d\]: i dont think it is over yet
poirette [2d\]: j13 seems best?
Elscouta [1d\]: after h12, w can seriously consider k4
Elscouta [1d\]: so it doesn't look that bad
TheClown [2d\]: k4?
gweisz [-\]: j12!
]
;B[ih]C[gweisz [-\]: =)
goeoejun [-\]: hmm
]
;W[ii]C[gweisz [-\]: k11
]
;B[jh]C[gweisz [-\]: :S
MXHero [3d\]: w is trying to make d11 work
Elscouta [1d\]: g9?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: at least black lost the wall to use it for fights... but white doesn't look good here...
]
;W[ji]C[Barnabas [5k\]: someone needs to dial M
kaketoe [11k\]: how could it work mxhero?
goeoejun [-\]: black j13 
MXHero [3d\]: if b fights too much here, w might get a ladder breaker during the fight
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I guess upper left joseki wasn't the best choice
kaketoe [11k\]: ah yes i see
NoirNoir: even if w gets d11 to work he paid a huge price
sparky13 [26k?\]: Hi people
Ananda [2k\]: k3 
goeoejun [-\]: hi
MXHero [3d\]: if w got d11 to work, w would be leading significantly
baltimore [3k\]: This is the site where the US Go Congress is being held: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6Ay-8rjObmk/Tjgn7wF1N2I/AAAAAAAAHDY/p6gLKiGCchI/s912/ucsb.jpg
Elscouta [1d\]: w will never get d11. b can't afford it
goeoejun [-\]: b d11
MXHero [3d\]: again, not because of the points, but because w would be completely alive everywhere
kaketoe [11k\]: someone mentioned k4 earlier, that is a ladder breaker right
covtxrider [9k\]: h10 an option?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: h10 is not good
poirette [2d\]: no must preserve h11 cut
spargo [6k\]: anybody can link the live show please?
lilomar [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
NoirNoir: old saying  "never peep a cut"
spargo [6k\]: thanks :)
covtxrider [9k\]: ahh, i though it was an eye stealing move to make that dragon heavier
Barnabas [5k\]: currently b cant cut  at h11?
Elscouta [1d\]: heavy != solid
animen08 [7k\]: the cut doesn't work for white
animen08 [7k\]: for black
animen08 [7k\]: sorry
Blakharaz [2d?\]: black has to settle his own weaknesses first to attack
]
;B[kh]C[poirette [2d\]: b just l12?
poirette [2d\]: hah
]
;W[ki]C[MXHero [3d\]: that would set up a situation where w could cut at d11
Blakharaz [2d?\]: obvious ^^
Elscouta [1d\]: w stones are already as heavy as they can be : if they die, w resigns
]
;B[lh]C[Ananda [2k\]: b also becoming heavy
poirette [2d\]: where is b heavy?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I like F4 now
NoirNoir: giving 8th line territory cant be good for w
mw2a [1k\]: w must m11 i think
]
;W[dn]C[Elscouta [1d\]: wat?
Burton [6k\]: i do not think top is black's territory yet
MXHero [3d\]: ooh fun!
animen08 [7k\]: wow
Blakharaz [2d?\]: hehe
Akikuru [4d\]: d6. exactly my thought
poirette [2d\]: interesting !
Blakharaz [2d?\]: wrong side ^^ stupid me
gogonuts [4d\]: b e7 :-)
MXHero [3d\]: d6 shows that thickness is best used for fighting, not for moyos
goeoejun [-\]: hmm
MXHero [3d\]: although i thought f4 was great too, whoops :)
gogonuts [4d\]: f4 would have been poor for w
kaketoe [11k\]: so i guess that ladder breaker is coming soon then?
gogonuts [4d\]: w invested too much for that
Akikuru [4d\]: hard for white to form good moyo
Akikuru [4d\]: centre group is not alive
Blakharaz [2d?\]: yeah
animen08 [7k\]: black must answer with something for the E13 group
gogonuts [4d\]: c'mon, e7
pacman1 [3k\]: b g10 or sth
]
;B[fk]C[MXHero [3d\]: the center is extremely alive now ; so alive that w is fighting with it
gogonuts [4d\]: ok, more sensible :-)
Blakharaz [2d?\]: g10 now :)
animen08 [7k\]: white wanted a big territory in center
gogonuts [4d\]: if w g8 b has e7 then
Bogdan [3k\]: b m11 is huge later on
gogonuts [4d\]: so f9 looks good
Akikuru [4d\]: you can see none of them wants to peep or playing somewhere near the peep.
evanj [3d\]: w has b6
Akikuru [4d\]: interesting thing about go
]
;W[hk]C[kaketoe [11k\]: what peep are you speaking of akikuru?
mw2a [1k\]: f9 was peeping the cut
Sandalphon [4d\]: g10 seems odd, if you're going to fix... just fix h10 g10 doesn,t block b
letsplay [7k\]: peep is a threat to cut
golgo13 [8k\]: w is not an insei ... current past or future
gogonuts [4d\]: simple b g8 ?
kaketoe [11k\]: ah i see
Damaging [10k\]: c6
QualityDr [10k?\]: Thanks, golgo13
Ananda [2k\]: c6 looks interesting to me too
goeoejun [-\]: b takes long
]
;B[hl]C[Damaging [10k\]: these are pros?
kaketoe [11k\]: do the players ever speak during a match?
Damaging [10k\]: or amateurs?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: Yin is pro
goeoejun [-\]: b is?
goeoejun [-\]: i knew he was
Blakharaz [2d?\]: as you can see behind her name
Damaging [10k\]: she
poirette [2d\]: heh tsuke unexpected
goeoejun [-\]: he is 1d shodan
Sandalphon [4d\]: its a 1:30 hour per side game... i HOPE b takes a while
Blakharaz [2d?\]: she!
gogonuts [4d\]: why is h8 better than g8?
goeoejun [-\]: b is a girl...
rtytyr: who won yesterday, with the game of juyong koh vs ming jiu?
mw2a [1k\]: mingjiu
gweisz [-\]: wonder if w will g9
Sonatine [6k\]: c6 CRYING,
Polonaise [3d?\]: Because contact moves make both sides stronger?
Sonatine [6k\]: ?
Ananda [2k\]: i heard kosumi is always bad in these situations
USGO1 [-\]: 2011 US Open pairings can be found online at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/102 . Check back for updated pairings, results and game records throughout the week.
mw2a [1k\]: koh blundered at the end and resigned, but mingjiu was a couple points ahead
Polonaise [3d?\]: And if b gets a nice wall in sente d6 can be in trouble.
goeoejun [-\]: d5 in lower right
kaketoe [11k\]: haha i thought d6 was already in trouble
rtytyr: thx
evanj [3d\]: d6 isn't in trouble 
evanj [3d\]: d6 will be used
kaketoe [11k\]: what are you looking at?
Polonaise [3d?\]: Right now w can connect or make base
Polonaise [3d?\]: So it's not really in trouble.
gogonuts [4d\]: shapewise g8 might be better, but h8 makes sure that w will respond on this side
gweisz [-\]: not right now ;)
Polonaise [3d?\]: Well yea, right now w worries about h9 more)
Sandalphon [4d\]: gogonuts: probably because b will have a tough time making territory in the lower left, so giving w a wall in return for an attempt at that territory seems bad
goeoejun [-\]: Daniel is doing good
kaketoe [11k\]: i see
kaketoe [11k\]: thanks
evanj [3d\]: is g8 even sente against the center group?
gogonuts [4d\]: hard not to play j8 now
Foros [7k\]: +
Sandalphon [4d\]: basically he needs to build larger because of the open skirt and the open corner
mw2a [1k\]: j8 seems to be helping b?
Barnabas [5k\]: j8  protects the cut
Damaging [10k\]: k9 is good shape I read
mw2a [1k\]: b has an open skirt, hmm? oh, right @b8
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I wonder how the kid in the background is doing ^^
Damaging [10k\]: but if it's relevant here, I don't know
Ananda [2k\]: g8 
evanj [3d\]: check out USGO2, see for yourself
evanj [3d\]: k9 would be very good shape but it is a bit slow
evanj [3d\]: has no effect on b
gweisz [-\]: so j9 ?
gweisz [-\]: xD
evanj [3d\]: what are those black and white things on the corner of the table?
covtxrider [9k\]: prob tourney docs
lilomar [8k\]: look like nametag pouches
LeoMar [4k\]: i was wondering the same
MXHero [3d\]: as horrible as it looks, what about g9?
evanj [3d\]: these are the things i think about instead of the situation on the board, which is why i am only 3d
mw2a [1k\]: g9 looks horrible
Damaging [10k\]: thanks evanj
evanj [3d\]: i don't know what you're thanking me for, but you're welcome
MXHero [3d\]: but the reason why w needs to respond is because later on g9 isn't sente enough
kaketoe [11k\]: probably for explaining basics to us ddks ;)
kostuek [3k\]: whats wrong with j8
Blakharaz [2d?\]: does anyone know how old Zi Yang Hu is?
Damaging [10k\]: for explaing k9 :)
evanj [3d\]: oh! my pleasure
Akikuru [4d\]: j8 seems like the only move
evanj [3d\]: oh wait
Akikuru [4d\]: but white just need to think what to play next
evanj [3d\]: she just did something with her black and white thing
evanj [3d\]: must be a complimentary little bag
evanj [3d\]: complementary*
evanj [3d\]: USGO1, please excise all of these stupid comments from the SGF when the game is over, ok? thanks :P
kaketoe [11k\]: haha
MXHero [3d\]: lol
kaketoe [11k\]: this will become an immensely famous game
kaketoe [11k\]: and your words are carved in it for eternity
LeoMar [4k\]: mx, you mean g9 to cut in f8?
Foros [7k\]: this game is playing right now?
kaketoe [11k\]: yes foros
golgo13 [8k\]: that would be much work
mw2a [1k\]: don't be silly. nothing lasts forever
MXHero [3d\]: not sure leo, i just feel like taking g9 and then protecting d6
kaketoe [11k\]: :)
mw2a [1k\]: let alone flimsy bits on a magnetic strip
Foros [7k\]: thanks toe)
kaketoe [11k\]: you can see the players on http://eurogotv.com
kostuek [3k\]: n10 too lazy i guess
kaketoe [11k\]: you can register for free and watch the live stream
gweisz [-\]: ill take J9 and then protect
Akikuru [4d\]: j8 h7. what to do next
Blakharaz [2d?\]: can you give us a time update USGO?
mw2a [1k\]: it's 10:07 PDT
Ananda [2k\]: g8 looks the most active
evanj [3d\]: seems to me all w really needs to do is protect against the clamp
evanj [3d\]: g8 seems overplay
Damaging [10k\]: L8 or L9, are those possible?
evanj [3d\]: i would be tempted to play further
evanj [3d\]: further away from the h9 area, that is
baltimore [3k\]: 1:24[w\] and 1:34[b\]
USGO1 [-\]: I can't see the clock from here, baltimore is getting the time
evanj [3d\]: protect the clamp by making it irrelevant
Blakharaz [2d?\]: ok :)
Blakharaz [2d?\]: thanks baltimore
Ananda [2k\]: around g4 evanj?
USGO1 [-\]: just as I suspected, they've been playing for about an hour, so have each used about 30 minutes
evanj [3d\]: no, need another move for the center group
kaketoe [11k\]: must feel weird for them by the way, that they are playing a board game in a small room
]
;W[gl]C[evanj [3d\]: but maybe someting like K8
evanj [3d\]: ok, ignore me
kaketoe [11k\]: but 270 people are watching their every move
]
;B[gk]C[gogonuts [4d\]: wow, inside hane
evanj [3d\]: because i really don't like G8
MXHero [3d\]: well g9 wasn't as crazy as i thought :)
]
;W[fl]C[evanj [3d\]: hm, everybody says that in my tournament/slow play i am very aggressive, but i would be so much calmer than this sequence...
covtxrider [9k\]: h9?  is peeping a cut ok in this situation?
MXHero [3d\]: do you mean h10 now, covtx?
Lyon [2d\]: black's D12 group's shape looks funky
Sonatine [6k\]: h11 WORKS,
covtxrider [9k\]: yes, sorry
kaketoe [11k\]: what is white's concern now?
Sonatine [6k\]: ?
Lyon [2d\]: i guess J11 has se tooky shapome fun
LeoMar [4k\]: h11 still doesn't work for black :)
Lyon [2d\]: H11 doesn't work
evanj [3d\]: but... he said it in caps
mw2a [1k\]: h11 g11 h10 j9 g10 e9 f10 f11 e10 e11 d10 d11 e16 h7 
mw2a [1k\]: or something
evanj [3d\]: h11 h10 g11 g10 e9
evanj [3d\]: you're thinking too hard
foxy [6d\]: h11, f12
Blakharaz [2d?\]: h11 h10 g11 f11 etc
evanj [3d\]: yeah sorry my coords got screwy
lilomar [8k\]: h10 h11 j9 seems nice for b? at least to this kyu
evanj [3d\]: h11 h10 g11 f11 g10 e9
Blakharaz [2d?\]: or f12 yes :)
evanj [3d\]: rather
Bogdan [3k\]: how about b h10? and then cut
evanj [3d\]: doesn't work
Sipes [5k\]: ming ming looks a bit stressed
kostuek [3k\]: e8 looks shapy
Blakharaz [2d?\]: doesn't work either because of D11 weakness
evanj [3d\]: w will squeeze and capture e13 stones
Bogdan [3k\]: ok thx
Sonatine [6k\]: thx (with cap ,)
DarkKnight [3d\]: are we sure h11 doesn't quite work?
evanj [3d\]: yes
MXHero [3d\]: actually the squeeze does not capture b's stones
Blakharaz [2d?\]: yes
mw2a [1k\]: yes
evanj [3d\]: mx: it captures some stones though
MXHero [3d\]: but w has e11 instead of the squeeze to get something
mw2a [1k\]: there have just beeen like 3 examples of it not working
evanj [3d\]: exactly
MXHero [3d\]: a direct squeeze would be a w disaster though
evanj [3d\]: can't imagine b wants to give up those cutting stones
evanj [3d\]: look at how you can see USGO 1,2,3 all in a row... that's cute
MXHero [3d\]: ohh nevermind, i see evanj, you're right
evanj [3d\]: it happens, rarely
Blakharaz [2d?\]: some sneezed? bless you ^^
evanj [3d\]: i think danny needs some coffee
Sonatine [6k\]: where do tou see them?
Sonatine [6k\]: link?
kaketoe [11k\]: http://eurogotv.com
lilomar [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
]
;B[el]C[Sonatine [6k\]: thx
kaketoe [11k\]: what is mingming holding?
Akikuru [4d\]: exchange? white moyo black top group
covtxrider [9k\]: fan
kaketoe [11k\]: ah
Ananda [2k\]: e7 
evanj [3d\]: what moyo, which group?
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming plops that stone down quickly and decidedly, then begins to flip her fan open and closed
kaketoe [11k\]: :)
Trindade [1k\]: lol
covtxrider [9k\]: is that like a poker tell?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I like ppl holding a fan, when they are nervous ^^ I do so, too
Sipes [5k\]: could be a bluff
kaketoe [11k\]: she looks like she is anxious to see the next move
evanj [3d\]: i feel like i'm not fully understanding what's happening here - i feel weak :(
Blakharaz [2d?\]: tells nothing... most players are full of adrenaline while playing
kaketoe [11k\]: haha evanj
covtxrider [9k\]: e10 blow b shape up
Sipes [5k\]: you're only as weak as you're not strong :D
kaketoe [11k\]: welcome to my us open experience ;)
MXHero [3d\]: oh e8 is seriously deadly for w, from what i can see
evanj [3d\]: nah, the stronger you get the weaker you feel, in my experience
Damaging [10k\]: hotness!
kostuek [3k\]: how about g6
MXHero [3d\]: w must protect the h11 cut somehow
Blakharaz [2d?\]: did you play well kaketoe? ^^
kaketoe [11k\]: probably, perhaps a better word for me is clueless
kaketoe [11k\]: haha
evanj [3d\]: yeah, that's different :D
LeoMar [4k\]: h11 cut still doesn´t work, right?
evanj [3d\]: the stornger i get the more precise my understanding of what i don't know
evanj [3d\]: correct, leo
Akikuru [4d\]: f6 or e7 hmm
MXHero [3d\]: f6 h10 j9 h11!  
evanj [3d\]: still doesn't work mx
Damaging [10k\]: well said evan, I feel like that too
MXHero [3d\]: how come?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: the stronger you get, the more you understand, that you don't understand go at all ^^
MXHero [3d\]: e8 is extremely helpful
kaketoe [11k\]: The utmost extent of man's knowledge, is to know that he knows nothing.
evanj [3d\]: same sequence as before, no?
corker: i dont want to understand go
corker: but i know a lot..
kaketoe [11k\]: i do, i want to understand everything
Blakharaz [2d?\]: means you're weak XD
kaketoe [11k\]: a very tiresome personality trait ;p
evanj [3d\]: f6 h10 j9 h11 g10 g11 f11 f10 j10 g10 e11
MXHero [3d\]: one way w can die: f6 h10 j9 h11 g10 g11 f11 f10 j10 g10 e9 e10 e11 d10 d11 e16  
mw2a [1k\]: the inly thing i really know about go is b plays first
Mukti [4d\]: All is understood, the answer is 42.
]
;W[em]C[Akikuru [4d\]: e9
MXHero [3d\]: d10 is tesuji there evanj
lilomar [8k\]: mw2a: wrong. handicap games.
josek [6k\]: what is shapy?
kostuek [3k\]: ) my new word for good shape
evanj [3d\]: d10 doesn't prevent d11
Akikuru [4d\]: f7 exchange now or e9 and wait for cut at h11
Blakharaz [2d?\]: similar to "I know that I know nothing" and "to be or not to be"... the only thing that if fact: black goes first ^^
evanj [3d\]: five stones still die, unless i'm missing something
evanj [3d\]: w has one more lib
MXHero [3d\]: b has e16
]
;B[hj]
;W[ik]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: here we go
MXHero [3d\]: we're gonna find out, maybe!
evanj [3d\]: b needs both e16 and e10
evanj [3d\]: i'll clone
kostuek [3k\]: f11
MXHero [3d\]: ok
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming rocks gently back and forth lightly bouncing a stone on the table
guest003 [-\]: fairly straight forward white E11 is sente so blacks cut at h11 won't work
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel is very calm, being quite careful with his expressions
curelybb [5k?\]: Daniel add oil
Akikuru [4d\]: usgo1 looks cool
Damaging [10k\]: should black worry about the cut at g10?
Akikuru [4d\]: i like your cap
mw2a [1k\]: it's easy for most players face's to look blank when staring at a goban
mw2a [1k\]: i know mine does...
kaketoe [11k\]: well face, but mingming is not exactly hiding her body language ^^
Sonatine [6k\]: USG, a psychologic reporter ;)
gogonuts [4d\]: if i were b, i would be regretting h8
kostuek [3k\]: b would like to h7 i think, but needs life
Akikuru [4d\]: e9
poirette [2d\]: h8 feels more and more overplayish
Bogdan [3k\]: b e9 and then cut at f7?
USGO1 [-\]: USGO1's hat says 바둑
Akikuru [4d\]: what does that mean
USGO1 [-\]: seriously?
MXHero [3d\]: oh gosh, the cut still doesn't work
evanj [3d\]: confidential to MXHero: b h11 w f11?
leachy [3k\]: at least you won't get sunburn
USGO1 [-\]: baduk
Akikuru [4d\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: i just saw it too evanj, dangit!!
evanj [3d\]: :D
]
;B[gj]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: h11 e11 f11 works for black... doesn't it?
mw2a [1k\]: 'bad duck"
MXHero [3d\]: lol we are so noob :)
Blakharaz [2d?\]: ah... maybe not
evanj [3d\]: NOW it works :P
MXHero [3d\]: haha
Blakharaz [2d?\]: definitely
LeoMar [4k\]: :) lol evanj
Sonatine [6k\]: h11 , a mustµ?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: even I understand this move :)
covtxrider [9k\]: f12 first?
evanj [3d\]: if w wants to force first f12 is not the move
hamsturinn [14k\]: white in trouble ?
evanj [3d\]: better f11 d11 f10 i guess
kaketoe [11k\]: how about f11
kaketoe [11k\]: yeah
evanj [3d\]: don't know if it's worth the trouble
evanj [3d\]: my guess is no
leachy [3k\]: f12 is aji keshi....what is your next white move (what did you want that exchange for)?
]
;W[ei]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: also... f11 or e11 are more efficient now
evanj [3d\]: but w can't follow up with e10
]
;B[di]C[evanj [3d\]: (and i meant e11 d11 e10, not f11 ... f10)
tinytim: wow heavy fight
Blakharaz [2d?\]: haha ^^
Elscouta [1d\]: this game won't go to counting
evanj [3d\]: has to connect now
mw2a [1k\]: b can still use the "pick-up" tesuji as well
kaketoe [11k\]: pickup tesuji?
magocbi [4k\]: lol
brooklyn [3d\]: w looking quite good
Elscouta [1d\]: i'd take b in that situation
brooklyn [3d\]: although lots of cuts...
]
;W[ek]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: oO
hamsturinn [14k\]: e10 ?
kaketoe [11k\]: i thought about e9, but it seemed to be leading nowhere =\\
hamsturinn [14k\]: and then h11
USGO1 [-\]: Danny sighs a little as he plays this move
Elscouta [1d\]: e10 d8 h11?
hamsturinn [14k\]: yea
leachy [3k\]: h8 did not work out well
MXHero [3d\]: i like w here!
gweisz [-\]: both players have the put two stones tesuji!
Blakharaz [2d?\]: a sigh like... "what have I done??" or "what a relief..."? ^^
USGO1 [-\]: was it a sigh? or was he just letting out a long breath that he had been holding in?
kaketoe [11k\]: haha
gweisz [-\]: sigh for the decission
mw2a [1k\]: was it a sigh or was he experiencing respiratory trauma?
gweisz [-\]: !
MXHero [3d\]: it seems like w can finally let g13 die peacefully, what a relief!
Bauer [1d\]: w throws away 8 stones for influence ???
Blakharaz [2d?\]: hehe
gweisz [-\]: seems
Neospring [4k\]: g10 is dead now?
kaketoe [11k\]: wait what
kaketoe [11k\]: i did not get that at all ;p
leachy [3k\]: that was the original plan of f14....just to erase b influence
Blakharaz [2d?\]: very expensive ^^
Riefu [2k\]: is there streaming?
evanj [3d\]: remember f14? those were more innocent times...
lilomar [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
kaketoe [11k\]: so how come he can sacrifice them only just now mxhero?
josek [6k\]: looks like w gets good compensation for g12
kaketoe [11k\]: hm
Blakharaz [2d?\]: just wait... he hasn't yet
mw2a [1k\]: e10 d8 f4 
leachy [3k\]: lol evanj
mw2a [1k\]: err, w needs a move in there
kaketoe [11k\]: just trying to understand the logic behin the commentaries as well :)
Blakharaz [2d?\]: maybe he'll come up with a unbelievable godmove
Honjo21ct [1d\]: is there some background information about w available? he seems to be pretty strong
mw2a [1k\]: @h12
evanj [3d\]: he's just some guy
mw2a [1k\]: seems reasonable plan for the w player
Bogdan [3k\]: if f14 dies, b connects all the groups (except for the corner). It is hard to believe that w can still win
leachy [3k\]: they picked him up at the homeless shelter and now he's 7d
kostuek [3k\]: e10 d8 h11 sente?
ranin19 [10k\]: whens lunch
hamsturinn [14k\]: black is supriced :)
Honjo21ct [1d\]: ah w is chunga, kk ^^
Burton [6k\]: I knew a homeless man who was a 3 dan
Blakharaz [2d?\]: what do you mean by sente?
evanj [3d\]: burton, i told you to keep that asecret
mw2a [1k\]: chunga chunga chu chu
Teme [6k\]: hows the time for both players?
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel (Dae Hyuk) Ko may be more familar to some of you as chunga
kostuek [3k\]: w can tenuki
Burton [6k\]: sorry
kostuek [3k\]: i mean
leachy [3k\]: daniel ko is aussie?
covtxrider [9k\]: e11?
mw2a [1k\]: there is a disembodied hand on the screen
covtxrider [9k\]: f11 i mean
kaketoe [11k\]: lol and some extreme foot movement going on behind it
curelybb [5k?\]: I think Daniel is good
kaketoe [11k\]: oh, stopped
Blakharaz [2d?\]: at least he can't safe them after e10 d8 h11 sequence
Blakharaz [2d?\]: so... yeah... tenuki ^^
YellowBell [6d\]: no Daniel is chunga on kgs
Burton [6k\]: It is one of the problems with tournament fees, strong players can be prevented from mplaying and the art of GO suffers
leachy [3k\]: aussie nickname
kostuek [3k\]: but should he protect h7 then?
YellowBell [6d\]: i dont think aussie is chunga : S
]
;B[hi]C[evanj [3d\]: furry karawi
leachy [3k\]: no...chunga is an australian nickname
]
;W[dl]C[YellowBell [6d\]: oh
YellowBell [6d\]: well chunga is dae hyuk ko username
royoto: that's also the problem with charging money for food. brilliant people starve to death and humanity suffers
MXHero [3d\]: lol evanj sounds like an endangered south american small mammal
Blakharaz [2d?\]: world is mercyless...
martin3141 [3d\]: f11 
leachy [3k\]: exhanges are not in danger of becoming extinct
SeanPenn [9k\]: :D
SeanPenn [9k\]: martin mate
josek [6k\]: tenuki?
SeanPenn [9k\]: with all due respect
SeanPenn [9k\]: orly?!
brooklyn [3d\]: interesting exchange by white
MXHero [3d\]: what an awesome result for w!
sameasyou [3d\]: tenuki not possible
b3n [4k?\]: e10
ikewa [9k\]: can't trnuki
Ananda [2k\]: b is forced to take the bait
evanj [3d\]: it does seem shockingly exactly what she was aiming for with f14 lo so many moves ago, doesn't it
ranin19 [10k\]: b f11
]
;B[ej]C[Ritm [10k\]: yay!
curelybb [5k?\]: White is good shape
guest003 [-\]: yes very nice...eat my stones you'll be gote ^^
evanj [3d\]: big question is now what
leachy [3k\]: sente, influence and ponnuki
evanj [3d\]: here's where you earn your high dan stripes
brooklyn [3d\]: but b gets a sizable territory lets not forget
Honjo21ct [1d\]: f3 ?
leachy [3k\]: evanj: she is playing black
Ananda [2k\]: b has cash to pay for this
evanj [3d\]: oh sorry, he
Mukti [4d\]: I guess F4 now...
martin3141 [3d\]: w still has a weakness at j9-area
]
;W[fq]C[kostuek [3k\]: n10 looks cute but h7 im afraid
MXHero [3d\]: but if b j10 w just k9 
MXHero [3d\]: seems like k11 stones are very light now
evanj [3d\]: yeah, no j9 weakness
davideo [3k\]: hmmmmmmmm
brooklyn [3d\]: b has at least 50 points
davideo [3k\]: so black is owning up so far
davideo [3k\]: but white has lotsa influence around the board
Bogdan [3k\]: how can b lose this game?
evanj [3d\]: easily
Ritm [10k\]: i dont think w influence is enougth
Mukti [4d\]: I do not think w is behind at all.
Bogdan [3k\]: :-)
leachy [3k\]: white ahead
MXHero [3d\]: if only 50 points were ever enough to win the game outright
LeoMar [4k\]: did anybody else had the feeling 20 moves ago that black was doing better? i no longer feel that way
evanj [3d\]: and it's still reducible
]
;B[hm]C[martin3141 [3d\]: there's still aji at j9 and h8 might be a burden later on
brooklyn [3d\]: yeah, i like W.  he has 20 with top left and komi
kostuek [3k\]: well
curelybb [5k?\]: ahead for somthing with ?
brooklyn [3d\]: only needs 30 more
kostuek [3k\]: lets see
guest003 [-\]: Dennis can i have your kgs-cap after the match?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: k8
leachy [3k\]: h8 was the big mistake it seems
brooklyn [3d\]: yeah i guess h8 overplay
Elscouta [1d\]: h7 feels so excessive
curelybb [5k?\]: many overplay
b3n [4k?\]: not overplay
curelybb [5k?\]: ?
ranin19 [10k\]: h5
ikewa [9k\]: h7 good
Ilidas [3d\]: k8 
ikewa [9k\]: k7
godhunter [5d\]: should capture h8 
ranin19 [10k\]: k7
curelybb [5k?\]: or... should i callit playover~~~
]
;W[fo]C[evanj [3d\]: k7 not good
b3n [4k?\]: h8 will cause b no problems
evanj [3d\]: b will cut right through
ikewa [9k\]: k7 has weakness
davideo [3k\]: black will attack and never let up
guest003 [-\]: white wil then just sacrifce three stones more
ikewa [9k\]: k8 better
davideo [3k\]: that's her style
martin3141 [3d\]: l8 
davideo [3k\]: yea black will tenuki
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I don't see h8 as overplay... at least it captured F14... now white has to deal with weak K11 and a more or less useful influence...
curelybb [5k?\]: no three stones are vital brotherhood
Ananda [2k\]: l9 
ranin19 [10k\]: k9?
kostuek [3k\]: mh, attack with h7 feels not well yet
Hoyuk [?\]: he almost stole my name :P
ikewa [9k\]: b5
b3n [4k?\]: you mean you almost stole his
ikewa [9k\]: or d4 dieing
Blakharaz [2d?\]: k8 still :)
evanj [3d\]: can b afford to just give w a 35-point corner?
Seikusa [?\]: how are these games broadcasted? is there a guy sitting at a computer next to them and enters the moves?
kaketoe [11k\]: yes
Selere [13k\]: yes
Ritm [10k\]: yes
guest003 [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
evanj [3d\]: yes, but has to be a guy with a white beard
Blakharaz [2d?\]: black can still live there... but there are more important moves to do
evanj [3d\]: otherwise the whole system breaks down
leachy [3k\]: and a cap that says baduk in korean
]
;B[jm]C[Bogdan [3k\]: d4 is hard to kill because of c9
ikewa [9k\]: hm
brooklyn [3d\]: K8?
leachy [3k\]: while sitting inside
evanj [3d\]: actually, he kind of looks like my father-in-law
kaketoe [11k\]: wow
Selere [13k\]: black rolled a stone haha
kaketoe [11k\]: she threw that stone across the board :P
Blakharaz [2d?\]: k8 dammit ^^
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White needs another move to kill the corner.
Riefu [2k\]: lol yea
leachy [3k\]: he's keeping tabs on you, evanj
Riefu [2k\]: what a throw
Selere [13k\]: look at that kid in the background! goodness!
kostuek [3k\]: looks ugly^^
evanj [3d\]: selere: that kid is a 1p
USGO1 [-\]: The stone slips out of Mingming's fingers and tumbles across the board
Selere [13k\]: your my favorite, USGO1
]
;W[li]C[kostuek [3k\]: err, not kid, looks ugly, k7 i mean^^
Kostas [?\]: so that's how it ended up in K7? :))
guest003 [-\]: yes put Dennis in a red suit and he'l be santa
USGO1 [-\]: Danny slaps that stone down firmly
Blakharaz [2d?\]: haha :)
Selere [13k\]: that kid is a 1p? this is madness!
evanj [3d\]: yup. kind of makes you want to quit go, doesn't it
kaketoe [11k\]: makes you wonder doesn't it :)
kaketoe [11k\]: oh no, quite the opposite ;)
mw2a [1k\]: i thought that was calvin sun
Ritm [10k\]: Go + PoeticBroadcasting 
leachy [3k\]: both are fairly attractive, no?
Selere [13k\]: i think i just about learned how to speak english at his age
kaketoe [11k\]: makes me want to throw away my life and beat him some day xD
Blakharaz [2d?\]: there are even younger pros out there Selere
Syptryn [3d\]: hmmm
evanj [3d\]: no, calvin's on board 3
b3n [4k?\]: there have been plenty of stronger players who are his age...
Selere [13k\]: dont tell me that
Bogdan [3k\]: k9?
Ananda [2k\]: should replay the placement in slow motion
mw2a [1k\]: the younger mind is able to learn things like languages, chess, go &c easier
pinkrobot [1k\]: j4 area
evanj [3d\]: but being 13k is perfectly ok, too. really. 
kaketoe [11k\]: i know it is really naive and quite ignorant, but i am still playing and learning under the assumption that i can reach their level one day :)
Selere [13k\]: what are those black books by their sides?
leachy [3k\]: rubbish mw2a
Riefu [2k\]: is waterloo go club meeting today
kaketoe [11k\]: that is not rubbish at all leachy
Ritm [10k\]: It is cmon to see 8-10 years old wich are 5-6 dan as insei students
b3n [4k?\]: it is rubbish
evanj [3d\]: kake: you could be amateur 7d, for sure. pro, maybe not :D
leachy [3k\]: it's more like older ppl have jobs etc
kaketoe [11k\]: just because you don't want to believe it?
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;B[mi]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: kake, it depends on your age and time to invest.
Selere [13k\]: getting beat by a kid his age has to be slightly embarrising
ikewa [9k\]: b has so much good moves
kaketoe [11k\]: :)
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I wish someone showed me go when I was about 8 years old...
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I started too late
evanj [3d\]: the player named compendium on KGS used to beat me live all the time when he was about 9
b3n [4k?\]: 8 years is too late
leachy [3k\]: me too blackharaz
kaketoe [11k\]: i am 21 and i want to spent / am spending a disproportionate amount of time on playing and learning go
ranin19 [10k\]: b has k9 
kaketoe [11k\]: ;p
BobWhoosta [1k\]: kake, when did you start playing?
kaketoe [11k\]: couple of months ago
hamsturinn [14k\]: kake
kaketoe [11k\]: 2-3
hamsturinn [14k\]: k :)
evanj [3d\]: you're doing fine then
hamsturinn [14k\]: im countinusly playing as well
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It would be very difficult for you to become pro, but it is possible.  And yeah, you're doing very well.
Neospring [4k\]: age itself doesn't matter
evanj [3d\]: just don't drop out of college
Ritm [10k\]: xD
Ritm [10k\]: Lol
josek [6k\]: evanaj how many time have you been playing?
Neospring [4k\]: its just young kids have more time to invest in studying then older people
Selere [13k\]: USGO1- what are those books next to the players? on the far side of the table?
evanj [3d\]: i've been playing for 15 years, but not continuously
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I started 5 years ago... and still 2d...-_- I feel horrible, when a child gets up to 6d in about 1-2 years...
evanj [3d\]: i got up to about 2 dan aga in a couple years
kaketoe [11k\]: :)
evanj [3d\]: think i'm a weak 4 dan now AGA, but didn't play much seriously in the interim
kaketoe [11k\]: i already dropped out of college
kaketoe [11k\]: so that ship has sailed ;)
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I find it difficult to believe people who put a disclaimer on the abilities of younger people to learn above that of older people, and then make speculative assumptions of their own.
Selere [13k\]: that train has sailed*
evanj [3d\]: well then you might as well try to become a professional go player
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Such as "older people just have jobs".
Selere [13k\]: i have had a job since i was 14 >.>
hamsturinn [14k\]: i learned this game about 17 days ago :) do i have any shot of becoming a pro ?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: you can do the pro exam until you're 27... and insei is preserved for younger player... I don't know the max age
evanj [3d\]: let me say this right now: you don't want to be a professional go player
covtxrider [9k\]: ham, are you 3 years old?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: but it's still possible if you're 21 :)
hamsturinn [14k\]: 17
kostuek [3k\]: how old are you
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;W[lk]C[largehc [?\]: isn't this almost over already?
leachy [3k\]: it's not speculative....it's established research that older/smarter ppl learn quicker
MXHero [3d\]: aw evanj, you dream-killer! :)
Selere [13k\]: why dont you want to be a pro? dont they get paid?
davideo [3k\]: is this game played in-person somewherE?
Baytovn [6k\]: I'm 234 yrs old
Riefu [2k\]: nice kgs sticker
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming had just stepped away from the table a couple of moments ago
climbtrees [5k\]: davideo: Santa Barbara California
kostuek [3k\]: baytovn maybe sai
Selere [13k\]: migming looks hot :X wont lie
Blakharaz [2d?\]: being a pro means a lot of pressure... I play go just because it's fun... I don't want money for it
largehc [?\]: who wants to do something they enjoy for a living and make it not enjoyable?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I'd like to see this research leachy.
evanj [3d\]: you really want your livelihood to depend on go matches?  to have to contend with a continual wave of fresh, energetic players with new styles?  to travel all the time?  to have to make go what you live and breathe, and not something oyu do for fun / to relax?
leachy [3k\]: it's just that if you are 9 years old you can do nothing but go and get really strong really quick
mw2a [1k\]: leachy, show me some papers, please
Selere [13k\]: i think mental jobs are better then physical jobs
Selere [13k\]: so yes
BobWhoosta [1k\]: And considering the massive amount of information my son has to process in order to learn the staggering amounts I see coming from him, I doubt I would believe the research anyway.
Blakharaz [2d?\]: also I'm a student... means I want a good job when I'm ready... no room for dreams like becoming a pro
BobWhoosta [1k\]: My own eyes prove it wrong.
USGO1 [-\]: mingming has returned to the board, daniel has shown her where he played
covtxrider [9k\]: Dennis must be tired, I expected something more like, Mingming slowly rises, sighs lightly, looks around and saunters off to take a break
evanj [3d\]: whoa
evanj [3d\]: Dennis just got a lot younger and cleaner-shaven
Riefu [2k\]: lol
Selere [13k\]: whoa!
Selere [13k\]: transformation!
leachy [3k\]: it's also common sense....i'm a hell of a lot smarter than a 9 year old.....
Kumasama [1k\]: yeah, right
evanj [3d\]: ok, i for one am going to return to the game
MXHero [3d\]: are you sure?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: More knowledgable, yeah.
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;B[mj]C[Riefu [2k\]: leachy, its just pattern recognition, something children excel at
BobWhoosta [1k\]: You have more knowledge.
BobWhoosta [1k\]: But smarter is another thing entirely.
martin3141 [3d\]: I dislike this fight for black
Ananda [2k\]: k7 caused this
MeSSed [6k?\]: i really have doubts as to the actually concreteness of such words :P
Blakharaz [2d?\]: l8
mw2a [1k\]: why, martin?
Bogdan [3k\]: b plans to sacrifice h8 group?
dan2dan [1d\]: did danny win his game yesterday?
USGO1 [-\]: mingming players with her fan while waiting on her opponent
Selere [13k\]: Mingming uses pout, its super effective!
covtxrider [9k\]: dan dan dan won
BobWhoosta [1k\]: L8 here?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: guess so
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;W[kl]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: hell yeah
Blakharaz [2d?\]: my first right guess ^^
BobWhoosta [1k\]: heheheh
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;B[km]C[kaketoe [11k\]: i don't really want to become a professional no :), same thing for any hobby.. as soon as you make a job out of it, takes a lot of the fun away :)
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Don't worry Blak, we won't get many more...
Blakharaz [2d?\]: yeah XD
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Definitely hane though right?
mw2a [1k\]: m7 !
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;W[lm]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: ok... m7 is too obvious
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;B[ln]
;W[mm]C[mw2a [1k\]: zomg, i'm 7d!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: kk, dang.
Ritm [10k\]: well, i also started little time ago, i just want to become better because i enjoy the game more as I improve
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;B[mn]C[USGO1 [-\]: both players very confident in their stone placements
]
;W[nm]C[Selere [13k\]: keep the momentum!
Selere [13k\]: go go go!
leachy [3k\]: i'm was a hell of a lot smarter than the average 9 year old when i was 9....so why aren't i a brilliant go player? i haven't put in nearly the same number of hours of quality training that the kid on board 2 has
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black needs to protect cut points.
grammar [5k?\]: omg. third line. please.
BobWhoosta [1k\]: K5?
kaketoe [11k\]: so thats what usgo1 looks like without his cap
kostuek [3k\]: everyone enjoy go... sometimes i just hate it
evanj [3d\]: cap comes with fake beard
mw2a [1k\]: leachy, where is that research you mentioned?
dan2dan [1d\]: like when you lose?
Ritm [10k\]: i hate blitz
pinkrobot [1k\]: n12 cut harsh
josek [6k\]: feels like b always a move behind
leachy [3k\]: expert theory: 10000 hours of training and you can become expert...
Big2 [5d\]: Is there a live video from the players?
kaketoe [11k\]: i have recently come to appreciate the value of blitz in studying your own behavior
BobWhoosta [1k\]: If you feel black is a move behind, that's a BAD feeling to have...
MXHero [3d\]: leachy, it's not fair to trivialize these go player's abilities by just calling it a time investment
baltimore [3k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Ananda [2k\]: there is a baby on the board behind
Riefu [2k\]: thats gladwell's take on it, yes
Blakharaz [2d?\]: black wants to nullify whites influence
evanj [3d\]: ananda: that baby is 1p
Ananda [2k\]: lol
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I agree with MX, and not just because he pays me.
Blakharaz [2d?\]: while putting pressure on that middle group
leachy [3k\]: IQ is what is important in learning not age
Big2 [5d\]: Thank you
covtxrider [9k\]: Dennis returns to the game, sits down and with a pensive look, provides an update on time left
leachy [3k\]: basic psychology really
mw2a [1k\]: IQ is an outdated concept, i believe
Kumasama [1k\]: IQ has no serious meaning
MXHero [3d\]: anyway, this conversation is totally outside the scope of this kibitz :)
kaketoe [11k\]: agreed
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oh, dang.
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;B[nn]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: You're right, but I totally wanted to kibitz it to death.
leachy [3k\]: true mw2a...but tests of it are predictive of learning capacity at new things
MXHero [3d\]: lol me too bob, but we must resist!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: sigh
]
;W[om]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: kk
kaketoe [11k\]: flame fest lies around the corner
]
;B[po]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Well, interesting thing here is black must settle, but white still won't be in danger.
MXHero [3d\]: i still feel good about w's position, but w needs to find a way to kill d4 very efficiently
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Enough shape/options.
dan2dan [1d\]: IQ tests were determined by people who had to come up with what they considered intelligence. IQ tests, the real ones anyway, require you to speak to a psychiatrist and spend hundreds of dollars too...
Selere [13k\]: did they really both start with 120 minutes?
Selere [13k\]: this is a longgggg game
BobWhoosta [1k\]: dan2dan, interesting thought: might it be more intelligent to save your money??
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;W[op]C[leachy [3k\]: i am sick of that convo anyway....i am just sick of ppl complaining that babies are better at learning go which is really stupid
Blakharaz [2d?\]: yes they did
Syptryn [3d\]: Regardless whether IQ tests defne intellignece
dan2dan [1d\]: haha i'd say so :P
Blakharaz [2d?\]: it's not much time
evanj [3d\]: i have to go in about fifteen minutes, so i'd appreciate a big spectacular finish soon please
Selere [13k\]: 120 minutes?!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: evanj, this isn't teaching game.
MXHero [3d\]: haha yeah i'd be happy to give you an IQ test: if you pay me $500 to take it, i'll tell you you're an idiot
Selere [13k\]: thats 4 hours plus byo yomi
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel place his stone slowly and quietly
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Sadly, the players ignore all of us.
Syptryn [3d\]: You can red many resources that verifies IQ has postivve corilations with education/wealth
kaketoe [11k\]: haha evanj, perhaps usgo1 will relay that message for you
maynerd [9d\]: yin min min + resign ge yongfei + resign calvin sun + resign
covtxrider [9k\]: IQ is a measuer relative to age
maynerd [9d\]: before the hour is up
Blakharaz [2d?\]: in germany we usually play with 60 minutes... and I always feel like playing a blitz game
Selere [13k\]: dennis- time left good sir?
evanj [3d\]: thanks maynerd
Syptryn [3d\]: as well as a complete dearth of physics/math proffersors with less than 130 IQ
Bauer [1d\]: in medicine, one definition of inteligence is : inteligence is what inteligence test measure
Syptryn [3d\]: of course, that's not to saq IQ is the only form of intelligenc
evanj [3d\]: he can't see the time, selere
MXHero [3d\]: b does not want to occupy the h3 area unless he needs to because w can then attack both h3 and d4
Syptryn [3d\]: just that correlations are there
Selere [13k\]: IQ tests are for scientologists
sampo00 [6k\]: lol
SenteProof [8k\]: MX is always right
USGO1 [-\]: White has about an hour left on his clock -- I forgot to check the other side before I returned to my seat
MXHero [3d\]: hah hi senteproof :)
USGO1 [-\]: its probably about the same
Selere [13k\]: thank you sir
SenteProof [8k\]: Hi my Hero
BobWhoosta [1k\]: N3 here?
kostuek [3k\]: needs to hold shape
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, black could easily find himself on the latter side of the quick and the dead.
tamagotchi [8k\]: why isnt the video focused on the board?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ahem, herself.
Selere [13k\]: because this is this board
dan2dan [1d\]: lol cause we have the board here.
Selere [13k\]: you want to see their facial expressions
mw2a [1k\]: why isn't the camera focused on mingming?
Selere [13k\]: see the anger on their faces!
tamagotchi [8k\]: lol
dan2dan [1d\]: see the rage
Selere [13k\]: the rage building in their eyes!
kaketoe [11k\]: it is mw2a, quite enjoyable
brooklyn [3d\]: where is the video feed?
MXHero [3d\]: the video focuses on the drama surrounding the game
tamagotchi [8k\]: just thought it was strange.
leachy [3k\]: yeah i can't see mingming or the board and daniel is calm all the time
Selere [13k\]: the mental battle the surrounds 2 battling pros! the electricity in the air as the game reaches its climactic summit! huzzah i say! huzzah!
dan2dan [1d\]: who do u feel is ahead?
brooklyn [3d\]: how do you get the video feed?
SenteProof [8k\]: when can we watch the video?
SenteProof [8k\]: PLz
Neospring [4k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
evanj [3d\]: selere: that's all well and good but w is not a pro
SenteProof [8k\]: Thank You
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;B[on]C[Selere [13k\]: i cannot see their ranks :(
dan2dan [1d\]: who cares
Bauer [1d\]: b leads  by a large margin
USGO1 [-\]: Options -> Rules
SadPlayer [-\]: q6 
MXHero [3d\]: i disagree bauer! it's so close
Selere [13k\]: Thank you again, good sir
dan2dan [1d\]: i actually feel b isn't winning by a large margin
Fizmo [7k\]: hmm there was a nice aji for black K9 - black could connect his stones
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Unlike regular go, this game totally revolves around sente.
SenteProof [8k\]: ohw Stephanie is a lady !
Aggress [4k\]: just don't jump to conclusion
SenteProof [8k\]: that's awesome
mw2a [1k\]: ...
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I feel whoever gets sente next will have a large advantage.
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;W[qm]C[Bogdan [3k\]: komi 7.5? That is huge
MXHero [3d\]: if b plays o15 he has 70 points of territory
Selere [13k\]: Silly AGA rules
BobWhoosta [1k\]: M17 still works?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: For white?
mw2a [1k\]: technically 7,5 is same as 6,5 for territory counting
Aggress [4k\]: well
MXHero [3d\]: maybe n16 instead of m17, not sure
Aggress [4k\]: just let them take care where they need to first
USGO1 [-\]: technically, its 1 point different
Aggress [4k\]: the point is
kaketoe [11k\]: haha i was about to say
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;B[qp]
;W[qq]C[dan2dan [1d\]: n16 seems so slow in comparison
Aggress [4k\]: how to save the bottom
mw2a [1k\]: well, what i mean is when komi was increased from 5,5 for area counting 6,5 komi results in no significant change
kimball [3d\]: pity that the quality of the tv is so low, in Bordeaux european congress it is like watching tv
Ananda [2k\]: b dies?
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;B[ro]C[Damage: mw2a
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black should live.
Aggress [4k\]: don't know
Damage: 2 games yesterday
tamagotchi [8k\]: i was hoping white would.
Selere [13k\]: United states doesnt appreciate go
Damage: ended by ,5
curelybb [5k?\]: daniel good move here
BobWhoosta [1k\]: But it seems she's playing dame.
Damage: so i think it counts
Aggress [4k\]: but black should be worried right now
evanj [3d\]: to be fair it is harder to appreciate when it is so blurry
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;W[rq]C[tuttomatto [3k\]: Who is the little boy on the other table -looks to be about 9 yr.old !
dan2dan [1d\]: n3
robotosan [3d\]: w looks ahead to me
baltimore [3k\]: i'm using a $10 webcam and sreaming from my laptop...  
Riefu [2k\]: cant see anything
evanj [3d\]: tutto: that is zihang yu 1p
dan2dan [1d\]: n3!
]
;B[nq]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: I would agree, with this attack white has definitely taken the lead.
dan2dan [1d\]: what?!
dan2dan [1d\]: no wai
MXHero [3d\]: fancyy
ugjjhj: ko material?
kostuek [3k\]: nice
maynerd [9d\]: b + resign
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;W[np]C[kimball [3d\]: hey, fat man, go away pls
tuttomatto [3k\]: thx evanj 
Aggress [4k\]: maynerd
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Thank you, orange shirted window.
Trindade [1k\]: lol
mw2a [1k\]: The usual komi in China was formerly equal to the 5.5 used in Japan, but was changed to 7.5. The jump is two points, because under area scoring the score is almost always odd.[3\] The Ing rules also have a komi of 7.5, specified as 8 points with Black winning jigo. The American Go Association have also changed komi from 5.5 to 7.5 in August 2004, effective 2005. The New Zealand rules specify a komi of 7. -- from http://senseis.xmp.net/?Komi
Aggress [4k\]: what dan r u in real life?
Riefu [2k\]: LOL
kimball [3d\]: :)
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;B[mq]C[Trindade [1k\]: hesaw it
dan2dan [1d\]: who me?
Aggress [4k\]: not u
maynerd [9d\]: stephanie wins the open
dan2dan [1d\]: lol
]
;W[or]C[Selere [13k\]: its not even 100 moves in
Selere [13k\]: hold your horses
Aggress [4k\]: oh well
maynerd [9d\]: she is obviosuly stronger than all the other maynerding amateurs 
curelybb [5k?\]: yes... that's right
BobWhoosta [1k\]: maynerd, black seriously ahead here?
Aggress [4k\]: i won't say that
curelybb [5k?\]: me 2
BobWhoosta [1k\]: H3 now?
Ritm [10k\]: influence is overrated
Aggress [4k\]: stop jumping to conclusion T.T
ugjjhj: maynerd, are you perhaps relative of High55?
kostuek [3k\]: UL only hard cash for w at the moment... not much to count
dan2dan [1d\]: who's high?
baltimore [3k\]: was the video quality better yesterday when I was using my cellphone's camera to stream?
Selere [13k\]: everyone thought last that that mingjin lost
Selere [13k\]: then he won
MXHero [3d\]: feels like b still has a lot of aji to worry about here
kaketoe [11k\]: i think this is definitely better baltimore
tamagotchi [8k\]: how many more rounds are left?
kaketoe [11k\]: the movement was making things quite blurry
baltimore [3k\]: this is round 3 of 6 of the open, and there are other tournaments as well, like the NAIM
curelybb [5k?\]: as Black can alive in the lower coner
kimball [3d\]: i'd predict that d4 is dead in the process of making l7 a living group
BobWhoosta [1k\]: What's that rumbling noise?
tamagotchi [8k\]: kk tx
josek [6k\]: g4 is playable?
curelybb [5k?\]: White shouls resign
baltimore [3k\]: my typing... i guess?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I don't like g4 josek, seems aji keshi.
USGO1 [-\]: 2011 US Open pairings can be found online at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/102 . Check back for updated pairings, results and game records throughout the week.
martin3141 [3d\]: k3 ?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It doesn't really make black any stronger.
tamagotchi [8k\]: tx
BobWhoosta [1k\]: And if white gets too strong, the corner is just dead.
dan2dan [1d\]: j3 :P
kimball [3d\]: perhaps k4?
baltimore [3k\]: I'm wondering if I should use my cellphone camera instead of the webcam, and just tape down my cellphone camera
tuttomatto [3k\]: anyone ever see the Sunday speed go tv'd in Japan - fabulous set up with runnig analysis &comentary 
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;B[jq]C[dan2dan [1d\]: DAMN
tamagotchi [8k\]: holy cow. there's alot of ppl there.
dan2dan [1d\]: 3d wins
dan2dan [1d\]: gg
covtxrider [9k\]: duct tape the camera to danny's head
MXHero [3d\]: nice martin
martin3141 [3d\]: :)
]
;W[ko]C[dan2dan [1d\]: oh goodness
MXHero [3d\]: yeah, the aji is not done yet  :))
DiscoDance [2d\]: too much aji in n12 and black is not alive yet, its still an interesting game
tuttomatto [3k\]: L 5 - wow 
dan2dan [1d\]: this move by white...
Riefu [2k\]: cough
Fizmo [7k\]: black always has K9
MXHero [3d\]: k9 does not capture stones
kostuek [3k\]: n4 instead of n3 and b would be happy?
kimball [3d\]: drawback of k3, but i'm sure b will find a way to deal with it
DiscoDance [2d\]: nope
Fizmo [7k\]: it captures
Riefu [2k\]: 1p kid just resigned
Selere [13k\]: shouldnt 8 be the center of the board if it is 19 by 19? :x
BBean: n4 good ok
evanj [3d\]: um
evanj [3d\]: no
Damage: no 10 is
Elscouta [1d\]: you need to work on your math, Selere
BobWhoosta [1k\]: 10, and 9 on each side of it.
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;B[jo]C[Damage: lol
Riefu [2k\]: lol
Damage: 19 is odd
kaketoe [11k\]: 9x2=18, 19, 10x2=20
MXHero [3d\]: 19 is extremely odd
Damage: 9+9+1
BobWhoosta [1k\]: 10+9+9 = 28/2 = 14 + 5= 19
Selere [13k\]: so tengen isnt center of the board?
Elscouta [1d\]: 19 isn't much more odd than 17
BobWhoosta [1k\]: The math is simple.
Riefu [2k\]: its not that odd; its lunar
tinytim: smell like b wins
Kumasama [1k\]: you guys have high IQ, you're probably good at go
USGO1 [-\]: not almost odd, but extremely odd? :)
curelybb [5k?\]: EQ is useless
SenteProof [8k\]: smells like teen spirit
Nation [4k\]: noooo, I missed the start again :(
Barnabas [5k\]: if you think about squares its all about chinese lucky numbers :)
josek [6k\]: 19 is odd but not odd
Barnabas [5k\]: 3x3,9, 18 , 18x18
Barnabas [5k\]: all good :) if not holy ;)
SenteProof [8k\]: w's in trouble
dan2dan [1d\]: l5 looking bad
Mukti [4d\]: Indeed, it'not even odd that 19 is odd and not even.
Damage: l4 or l3 
SenteProof [8k\]: 20 would be odd
kaketoe [11k\]: it would be odd if it was even though
SenteProof [8k\]: now we're used to 19
Selere [13k\]: stop standing in front of the camera! go away!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: L5 has some aji to it, maybe a probe?
Selere [13k\]: no one wants to see your neck!
MXHero [3d\]: well yeah mukti, the fact of it is not odd, but the fact is that it is odd
Blakharaz [2d?\]: who's that guy? >.<
BobWhoosta [1k\]: That's Lee Sedol, 9p.
kaketoe [11k\]: this is 3rd person view usopen
Selere [13k\]: ahaha he looks into the camera
Ritm [10k\]: Recomended article: http://www.cracked.com/funny-5213-lucid-dreaming/
]
;W[mh]C[dan2dan [1d\]: THE CUT
Ritm [10k\]: READ it =)
Damaging [10k\]: finally :)
kostuek [3k\]: funny
USGO1 [-\]: you guys distracted me, I didn't see him play it
SenteProof [8k\]: i think the video would be more dramatic with black curtains and candles
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Wow, this is desperation?
MXHero [3d\]: i thought this didn't work directly, but i thought a lot of this didn't work directly
LeoMar [4k\]: i didn't get l5 though. can anybody explain?
tuttomatto [3k\]: watching paint dry is better than the video lol 
]
;B[mg]C[tamagotchi [8k\]: haha
kostuek [3k\]: L5 is oik i guess
]
;W[nh]C[kostuek [3k\]: oki
kostuek [3k\]: :p
tamagotchi [8k\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: wow, i guess it worked well enough
josek [6k\]: b must get sente and live in the corner
Blakharaz [2d?\]: it's oink
]
;B[ng]
;W[oh]
;B[pg]C[dan2dan [1d\]: !..
Selere [13k\]: 3-3 invasion! go go!
Smilogo [5k\]: first play in the center then the sides then the corner :)
curelybb [5k?\]: it is a very mix game
dan2dan [1d\]: OMG NO
Blakharaz [2d?\]: pff... who wants corners?
Selere [13k\]: ?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I always go for the rest!
curelybb [5k?\]: remix of go\]
]
;W[og]C[Ananda [2k\]: corners are outdated
mw2a [1k\]: only loners like corners
]
;B[pf]
;W[of]C[mw2a [1k\]: go is a social game
Antogo [-\]: da fö
tuttomatto [3k\]: corners are SO yesterday 
Blakharaz [2d?\]: ^^
]
;B[pe]
;W[qe]C[SenteProof [8k\]: corners are for sulkers
josek [6k\]: corners are so 2010
dan2dan [1d\]: corners are so Dan
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah and also kyu
]
;B[oe]C[Selere [13k\]: why did we give mingming an american name? >.>
Nation [4k\]: .....
SenteProof [8k\]: why haven't goban got round corners?
mw2a [1k\]: it's her choice
mw2a [1k\]: ...
MXHero [3d\]: o15? looks like an extremely fun shape
SenteProof [8k\]: tha'd be a newty
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah if you wanna practice using your influence you can play on a rounded corners goban
SenteProof [8k\]: then tengen is the new corner
kostuek [3k\]: a round corner
SenteProof [8k\]: 4
Viltti [2k?\]: You'd need bigger stones on the outer and smaller on the inner board.
SenteProof [8k\]: actualy
SuperSonic [2d\]: w q17 ?
SenteProof [8k\]: you have experimental gobans with 0 up to 4 corners
]
;W[ne]C[MXHero [3d\]: yess
LeoMar [4k\]:  good call mx
Kumasama [1k\]: I've seen a cubic goban
MXHero [3d\]: i've been guessing enough to finally get one! lol
dan2dan [1d\]: its called a box
Selere [13k\]: 3D goban, 19x19x19
Kumasama [1k\]: yes, but with squares painted on it
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I'd like to have an octagon goban...
dan2dan [1d\]: a box of marbles
kimball [3d\]: b can nut cut there, so it is a fine move
Selere [13k\]: it will take you life to finish
planar [?\]: I want a goban where you can have 5 simultaneous bent-four-in-the-corner :-P
kaketoe [11k\]: i want a goban with one single corner
dan2dan [1d\]: i want a goban where...
SenteProof [8k\]: omg
dan2dan [1d\]: nvm, i just wana  goban
SenteProof [8k\]: awesome
mw2a [1k\]: ice-cream cone goban
dan2dan [1d\]: :(
Kumasama [1k\]: one single corner is a pizza slice
leachy [3k\]: it is good practice for tesuji/tsumego to play toric go.....above x19 is x1 and to the left of Ax is Tx.
Kumasama [1k\]: wait, no
Selere [13k\]: i want you all to stop saying goban >.>
Kumasama [1k\]: that's 3 corners
tinytim: these guys know  one or two bout how to fight .
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah also we need triangle stones
leachy [3k\]: and it has no corners so no corner joseki 
Akamaru [2d\]: nobody wants a haunted go board with happosai appearing to teach the art of female underwear theft?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: a pizza slice with round corners on the outside
Kumasama [1k\]: yep
Ritm [10k\]: hmmmm piizza
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I didn't see why black would want to sacrifice the cutting stones like that.
Kumasama [1k\]: akamaru: yes me wants
leachy [3k\]: and it requires no special equipment...just a normal go board
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Was the fight really that good for white if black pushed the other way?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I guess O17 aji would have destroyed black's territory.
MXHero [3d\]: me neither, but there was some really crazy aji at j13
Selere [13k\]: Mingming casually moves around some stones while her opponent is away.
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I want Akamaru... but just with Akane or Shampoo as opponent
Akamaru [2d\]: not black rose?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: nooo
Blakharaz [2d?\]: bah ^^
BobWhoosta [1k\]: P16 forced, no?
SenteProof [8k\]: gobans need red stones, as a joker stone
BobWhoosta [1k\]: R13 would be quite the move...
Ritm [10k\]: oooh what about neutral stones!
Ritm [10k\]: on the middle
Ritm [10k\]: that could be fun
SenteProof [8k\]: transparent stones??
dan2dan [1d\]: r13 is fail
Blakharaz [2d?\]: yeah... r13 isn't good
Akamaru [2d\]: i only see p16 right now
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, so P16 then neh?
kaketoe [11k\]: just one stone that you can use whenever you want, but it occupies 4 intersections
Kumasama [1k\]: you mean neutral stones you could capture then use for yourself?
Ritm [10k\]: no
SenteProof [8k\]: the joker stones can just adjacent ones
Ritm [10k\]: like "obstacles"
dan2dan [1d\]: if only those stones had tiny swords and shield
dan2dan [1d\]: owait
Kumasama [1k\]: yeah
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I just invented a game similar to go, except each person is trying to build an interconnected chain from one side of the board to the other.
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It's on a hexagonal board, but I haven't come up with a name yet.
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;B[od]C[dan2dan [1d\]: Whoostago
planar [?\]: Bob: very funny
Blakharaz [2d?\]: it's called "connect-stones-from-one-to-the-other-side"
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah, a woostago board, awesome!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ooh, Blakharaz, that's a great name.
copyright [2d\]: q17 
Selere [13k\]: its called Go-moku
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Mind if I use it?
MXHero [3d\]: q17 must be the move
Blakharaz [2d?\]: sure :)
epion003 [?\]: how they looking for time on time clock
SenteProof [8k\]: MX is still commenting the game lol
hamsturinn [14k\]: what about a game where black has the handucap of 30 stones but white can do two moves add the same time ?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Thanks, I'll mail you the copyright release form.
hamsturinn [14k\]: therefor you need three eyes
SenteProof [8k\]: !!!
hamsturinn [14k\]: to live
Kostas [?\]: are there any other clocks besides time clocks?
dan2dan [1d\]: solar clocks
dan2dan [1d\]: trololol
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah we'd call that the triclop
BobWhoosta [1k\]: hamsurinn, give me that game, and I could beat anyone.
Blakharaz [2d?\]: why do I feel like being robbed right now? XD
planar [?\]: water clocks
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It would be too easy for white.
hamsturinn [14k\]: as black or as white ?
mw2a [1k\]: actually, bob, your game sounds similar to akron
martin3141 [3d\]: q17 n15 n14 m14 o14 n16 m13 l14 ?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oh, mw2a?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Someone stole my game?
Kostas [?\]: and they tell what? solar, water?
kaketoe [11k\]: yes
Kostas [?\]: ok
mw2a [1k\]: yeah, except akron is on a square board but i suppose it doesn't matter
planar [?\]: biological clocks
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oh well, this is just like my attempt to patent restraining harnesses in automobiles...
copyright [2d\]: White resign
MXHero [3d\]: why would w resign
]
;W[ig]C[dan2dan [1d\]: LOL.
dan2dan [1d\]: Wow
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Whoa, aji.
mw2a [1k\]: mxhero, that is the new popular troll
kane955 [1k\]: l14
kimball [3d\]: hurray korea
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Could just L14 here?
mw2a [1k\]: dae hyuk is not korean
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Or is it not that simple?
Honjo21ct [1d\]: looks like despair rather than aji, doesnt it?
MXHero [3d\]: if l14 then w has j16 and company for a squeeze
Selere [13k\]: things are not always as they seem
USGO1 [-\]: yes he is
MXHero [3d\]: but  maybe that's unimportant
kimball [3d\]: at least his style is korean definitely
mw2a [1k\]: i thought he was american? or canadian maybe
USGO1 [-\]: that too
BobWhoosta [1k\]: If black gets sente for Q17, that would be quite large in deed.
mw2a [1k\]: dual citizenship?
kimball [3d\]: go style is a matter of genes not passport i'd say
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I play Levi style.
]
;B[ie]C[mw2a [1k\]: i play polish, i suppose
]
;W[lg]C[Fizmo [7k\]: what the heck xd
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Are the N13 stones really worth that much?
]
;B[kg]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: this is bigger than q17?
MXHero [3d\]: my style is more dangorees
]
;W[lf]
;B[kf]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Or will white tenuki here?
Fizmo [7k\]: why didnt he play l14 hmm
mw2a [1k\]: what is your style?
Kostas [?\]: L13? why not K14 ?
trout [4d\]: not bigger but sente
]
;W[pc]C[Elscouta [1d\]: getting 6 points + an eye in sente cannot be small
Blakharaz [2d?\]: hmm...
MXHero [3d\]: amazing w sequence
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Very true.
trout [4d\]: protecting o12 group.
Smilogo [5k\]: perhaps she didnt see o15?
Ritm [10k\]: tell them to change seats
BobWhoosta [1k\]: So basically N11 aji is almost nullified?
]
;B[le]C[Kumasama [1k\]: not yet i'd say
godhunter [5d\]: o18
curelybb [5k?\]: I am sure Danied won;t resind an  d no need
BobWhoosta [1k\]: R11?
]
;W[md]C[curelybb [5k?\]: resigned
buggler [?\]: this is interesting
buggler [?\]: now n11 aji can be useful for b to liive
SenteProof [8k\]: why they give random westerners names to asians?
buggler [?\]: without needing to connect
mw2a [1k\]: can we please ban people who say players have resigned?
]
;B[mc]C[Fizmo [7k\]: m16 lalala
SenteProof [8k\]: can we ban people who want to ban people?
Elscouta [1d\]: easier to pronounce and remember (note that asian do the same thing to westerners)
MXHero [3d\]: uhoh sente, you're gonna ban yourself!
Ananda [2k\]: ban everyone
billy504 [6k\]: hahahha
godhunter [5d\]: n14
planar [?\]: mingming is not hard to remember
Elscouta [1d\]: but do you know if you pronounce it like it is supposed to be?
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah actualy, easier that stephanie
Ritm [10k\]: m-i-n-g-m-i-n-g
Smilogo [5k\]: nobody has time to take 2 stones
buggler [?\]: i want the surname ko
SenteProof [8k\]: lol
buggler [?\]: minnenko
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I want seki...
SenteProof [8k\]: oh yeah
SenteProof [8k\]: plz seki
Blakharaz [2d?\]: seki is way cooler than ko
USGO1 [-\]: Let's try to focus on the game please
Ritm [10k\]: whole-board-seki
SenteProof [8k\]: super ko seki
Verse [2k\]: m16 or tenuki?
SenteProof [8k\]: whole board seki?
Verse [2k\]: m16 feels small
anapazapa [1d\]: whole-board ko
SenteProof [8k\]: white still win?
SenteProof [8k\]: i mean seki
covtxrider [9k\]: my asian name is Tong Dian Fu
BobWhoosta [1k\]: M16 is totally sente here.
martin3141 [3d\]: m16 may be sente
BobWhoosta [1k\]: But white might not play it because it's his privalege.
covtxrider [9k\]: http://www.mandarintools.com/chinesename.html
ShapeMaker [4k\]: seki? where?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: If black plays it it's gote.
SenteProof [8k\]: my jap name is Samusu-san
Verse [2k\]: where do you play around q12 if you don't want to harm R14?
Fizmo [7k\]: maybe sth around q11 first
Fizmo [7k\]: aaa its white turn xD
MXHero [3d\]: you can play r11 or s12, verse
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I would play R11 here on the right, but maybe time to kill the corner?
anapazapa [1d\]: i think it's komi
USGO1 [-\]: Black has 31 mins; White has 43 mins
Verse [2k\]: R11 looks good
kostuek [3k\]: q12, but ends somewhat in gote
anapazapa [1d\]: (what i've always wanted to comment)
praeludium [5d\]: b d2 lives? 
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White probably trying to figure that out.
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It would be SO huge.
MXHero [3d\]: w's gotta find a good way to kill d4 :(
SenteProof [8k\]: me chinese name appears to be Shen Shang Mu
BobWhoosta [1k\]: B7 might be an interesting try for the corner kill?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Is it enough?
kaketoe [11k\]: <-- Xian Dian ning
SenteProof [8k\]: < Shen Sangmu
martin3141 [3d\]: I think c5 is a tight way to kill d4, maybe w can do better
Fizmo [7k\]: q12 for white is probably good enough
Akikuru [4d\]: <- Da Shuai Ge
SenteProof [8k\]: omg, people are still commenting this game?
SenteProof [8k\]: ban them
]
;W[mp]C[Remina [4d\]: <- Bruce Lee
Ananda [2k\]: c8 best way to kill :)
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I don't like Q12 fizmo because it gives black two moves against the corner.
BobWhoosta [1k\]: So white will need to protect either immediately or later on.
curelybb [5k?\]: Who is Bruce ?
poirette [2d\]: l4
Akikuru [4d\]: you are bruisely
Fizmo [7k\]: so R11 then
martin3141 [3d\]: I agree, locally s11 is surely better than something like q12 or r12
curelybb [5k?\]: Hopefully not
]
;B[lp]C[covtxrider [9k\]: Dennis, how are they doing on time?
Fizmo [7k\]: if white has time to kill d4 - game over ;d
USGO1 [-\]: about a min less than my last announcement
OrenIshii [9k\]: USGO1 [-\]: Black has 31 mins; White has 43 mins
BobWhoosta [1k\]: No, white MUST kill D4 to maintain the balance.
covtxrider [9k\]: sorry, I didnt see that :[
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Actually, if white kills D4 he'll be a little ahead.
OrenIshii [9k\]: They should give you boldness, Dennis :-)
BobWhoosta [1k\]: But black has solid territory, while white can be reduced.
SenteProof [8k\]: maybe bottom left is gonna turn into a round corner before the end of the game
SenteProof [8k\]: never know when the rules are gonna change
curelybb [5k?\]: D4 can't be kill... as Black has sente
martin3141 [3d\]: how has black sente??
MXHero [3d\]: it's w's turn
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It's white's move...
Damaging [10k\]: why didn't white go in further at m16?
curelybb [5k?\]: C8 is big move
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I wonder if E2 is enough to kill black?
Damaging [10k\]: why didn't white go in further at m16?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: This D4 turns into a HUGE conundrum for white...
MXHero [3d\]: if e2, it feels like b6 is too easy of a reduction
Elscouta [1d\]: isn't c8 sente?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Maybe we need to get our corners surrounded more in OUR games??
martin3141 [3d\]: as white I would probably play c5 to make sure black has nothing there
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah MX, you're right, left side bigger to protect.
MXHero [3d\]: b would still have something on the bottom side though, martin
Fizmo [7k\]: c7 might kill d4 in nice way
curelybb [5k?\]: if   B  is  T4  , white is very dangerous
MXHero [3d\]: maybe just w h3 here?
MXHero [3d\]: if b must respond, then b6/b7?
Selere [13k\]: hoist the colors!
kalastaja [1d\]: n4 -> w looking for sente around h3
BobWhoosta [1k\]: That's very interesting MX.
davideo [3k\]: hmmm
davideo [3k\]: black can win by a landslide
MXHero [3d\]: the problem is that big big if lol
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Must be VERY careful that H3 is sente.
MXHero [3d\]: yeah haha
BobWhoosta [1k\]: ;-P
kalastaja [1d\]: not yet
]
;W[mf]C[Elscouta [1d\]: huh
davideo [3k\]: r10 is huge
BobWhoosta [1k\]: This is bigger than corner?
Smilogo [5k\]: yeah take it
davideo [3k\]: r9 i mena
kaketoe [11k\]: yyeah i was thinking, why does black not take away white's eye at n14
SenteProof [8k\]: black can so live in the corner even after c5
hamsturinn [14k\]: n15
hamsturinn [14k\]: then o16
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Maybe white is assuming that the corner is not protectable easily, and too easily reduced anyway?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Proverb: "If something needs to be defended from two sides, do not defend!!"
Fizmo [7k\]: what the hell
Elscouta [1d\]: c3 kills the corner 100%, so i guess w assumes b is already dead?
Fizmo [7k\]: b5 and kill d4
MXHero [3d\]: lol i like fizmo's proverb
Janjan [-\]: there is no pts in corner
kostuek [3k\]: c2 should kill, but its seems like miai with c9 head reducing
BobWhoosta [1k\]: THIS is the power of the hoshi stone.
leachy [3k\]: @hamsturinn: n15 o14 o16 l15 
USGO1 [-\]: While Mingming thinks, she put her hand in the bowl and twiddles two stones between her fingers
]
;B[qg]C[curelybb [5k?\]:  P17  also 
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah she so sexy
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Surrounded on all sides, enemies breathing down with thickness abounding, he sits, calmly, patiently, and dares white to kill.
praeludium [5d\]: if black plays c2 he lives
SenteProof [8k\]: skilled women are hot
praeludium [5d\]: d2 I mean
Fizmo [7k\]: is it a proverb? i used what the heck before, now what the hell :P
leachy [3k\]: *she sits
curelybb [5k?\]: ^^
BobWhoosta [1k\]: D4 is a male stone.
SenteProof [8k\]: they look like normal people tho
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I think you're confused with F3, which is obviously female.
Fizmo [7k\]: you have to choose right sentence to right situation - just like moves in go ;p
Elscouta [1d\]: d4 has a town portal, he fears nothing
BobWhoosta [1k\]: heheheheh
SenteProof [8k\]: robbers would never guess the can shoot mind bullets
kaketoe [11k\]: lol town portal
sousys [4k\]: is there a videostream?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Even town portal can be diffused by... the DREADED LAG!!!
lilomar [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
sousys [4k\]: thanks
BobWhoosta [1k\]: R13 very big.
SenteProof [8k\]: are Go players the future of this planet?
curelybb [5k?\]: I think W h3 could be bad , as B is possible to kill White in coners
kostuek [3k\]: no
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Question is will white R11 here?  I think he will.
Blakharaz [2d?\]: apes are the future...
Kostas [?\]: i don't want to be part of that future if it is
kostuek [3k\]: there is no future
leachy [3k\]: true shell and white clay is female, stone is male
SenteProof [8k\]: they sound pretentious when they're too good tho
]
;W[rg]C[Fizmo [7k\]: even though shes pro, lossing to a girl would be shameful :P
SenteProof [8k\]: they could appear more accesible
Blakharaz [2d?\]: hmm... I don't like S13 :(
Kostas [?\]: hnn, r11 sente now?
MXHero [3d\]: if w plays r11, it is too close to the wall
MXHero [3d\]: because b would have s12 or s13 or whatever in sente
MXHero [3d\]: so s13 is taking the double-sente move
davideo [3k\]: looks like white hsould be resigning soon?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I see, then something like S7 or even monkey later to overconcentrate?
MXHero [3d\]: yeah so w really couldn't get much on the right side anyway
Fizmo [7k\]: s17 can bring some problems for white
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Maka Mucha sensa.
]
;B[rh]C[martin3141 [3d\]: s7 ... don't forget w as r6
]
;W[rf]C[martin3141 [3d\]: *has
davideo [3k\]: r11 obviously
hamsturinn [14k\]: q11?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, s7ish, that's why I said monkey because of the R6 move.
Elscouta [1d\]: q11 looks actually better
kostuek [3k\]: q10 maybe even more fun
hamsturinn [14k\]: q10 over play ?
Sandalphon [4d\]: how much time is left?
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel leans back in his chair to wait, but quickly sits up and responds to Mingming's move
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I would think Q10 is overplay.
Fizmo [7k\]: i would go with q10, but q11 more solid
praeludium [5d\]: q10 is proper geta
Blakharaz [2d?\]: Dennis, I wonder what your job is :) are you a psychologist?
hamsturinn [14k\]: if white gets surround on o12 whites in trouble
curelybb [5k?\]: W is leading with three coin
hamsturinn [14k\]: and if he prevents surround he will lose alot of points
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Still hard to tell who is leading, but it's looking more like white is leading here.
davideo [3k\]: white is losing big time... no?
MXHero [3d\]: no, it's very close
copyright [2d\]: q11 
davideo [3k\]: even if bottom left lives?
MXHero [3d\]: good question :)
praeludium [5d\]: If you consider d4 dead... 
SeanPenn [9k\]: :D
USGO1 [-\]: Several times Mingming reaches to re-straighten the two stones at N10
Sandalphon [4d\]: really depends on bottom left result
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, coming down to how the left corner plays out.
SeanPenn [9k\]: why white still ignores there:S
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I think Black is trying to determine what is sente here, and if she can get back tothe lower left?
OrenIshii [9k\]: She's good with her psychological warfare.
leachy [3k\]: does that mean mingming is thinking on/bluffing with N10?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: SeanPenn, it's a more difficult situation for white than black in that corner, black can live (I think) easily, but white cannot kill without being reduced from both sides.
praeludium [5d\]: d2 nooow
]
;B[pi]C[davideo [3k\]: lol bluffing?
hamsturinn [14k\]: yeaaa
hamsturinn [14k\]: my move :Þ
MXHero [3d\]: there is some really frightening aji starting at f11
Elscouta [1d\]: pff, 14k move
davideo [3k\]: lmao
Elscouta [1d\]: i'm disappointed by the quality of that game
BobWhoosta [1k\]: This is sente, so black can get back to lower left.
davideo [3k\]: what does sente mean? a move you have to respond to?
Burton [6k\]: yes
copyright [2d\]: l15 
davideo [3k\]: oic
leachy [3k\]: what is go?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: davideo, it's a sequence with your opponent making the last move, leaving you free to play elsewhere.
Burton [6k\]: gote one that you do not need to respond to
anapazapa [1d\]: a move or sequence that keeps initiative cos the other one has to respond last
Kumasama [1k\]: go is a way to measure IQ
Sandalphon [4d\]: troll...
crazytony [3k\]: lol
]
;W[nj]C[Fizmo [7k\]: hmm i would play p10
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Time for lower left I feel.
SeanPenn [9k\]: agree bob
davideo [3k\]: here it comes bottom left!
SeanPenn [9k\]: it has to be!!
copyright [2d\]: e2 
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I would never have guessed D2 though.
leachy [3k\]: i mean really...3k asking what sente means?
davideo [3k\]: maybe o 11 who knows
]
;B[oj]C[Fizmo [7k\]: how is d2 better then b5?
Fizmo [7k\]: aa ok nevermind ;p
whitetalon [?\]: lol
whitetalon [?\]: b5 15k move
davideo [3k\]: what a nasty little game
leachy [3k\]: e2 better than the 'symmetrical' b5
Fizmo [7k\]: just nobiii
]
;W[ni]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: NOW!!!
whitetalon [?\]: left now
BobWhoosta [1k\]: She's going to slap the stone down too I bet.
USGO1 [-\]: there are several games still going on here in the strong players room. Many have finished and some are sealing their move for the lunch break
anapazapa [1d\]: not everyone speaks japanese, get over it. korean and chinese pros normally have a smaller japanese vocabulary than any western beginner
hamsturinn [14k\]: d3 or d2
petition [3k\]: i cant believe it is still open... has it just been a giant brawl all game?
hamsturinn [14k\]: witch is better ?
seeblick [1d\]: which witch ?
Baconade [?\]: I'm sure this has been linked many times but I only just joined the game - Is there a video stream?
MXHero [3d\]: d2 is better
SeanPenn [9k\]: it definately has been mate: /
BobWhoosta [1k\]: She's looking at the lower left.
whitetalon [?\]: d2 ham
athenus [7k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
MXHero [3d\]: but idk if d2 is best
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming is looking intently at the lower left corner area
Baconade [?\]: thank you
martin3141 [3d\]: hehe
Blakharaz [2d?\]: finally
Sandalphon [4d\]: f2 looks interesting
Fizmo [7k\]: time to move d4 stone in action probably
leachy [3k\]: daniel is too
MXHero [3d\]: omg is b going to play the move or seal it for the lunch break?
anapazapa [1d\]: but b draws first
]
;B[eq]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: BAM!!
Blakharaz [2d?\]: yeah
]
;W[fr]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: but would have be awesome sealing E3 ^^
Smilogo [5k\]: there are 4 corners!!
MXHero [3d\]: yeah hehe
godhunter [5d\]: b wll live
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, this lives easily imo.
Fizmo [7k\]: black will finally get one corner ;p
SeanPenn [9k\]: he is against a pro
Bogdan [3k\]: not yet
athenus [7k\]: oh
SeanPenn [9k\]: im not sure about it
hamsturinn [14k\]: c7 ?
athenus [7k\]: i hide my letters/numbers marking the fields how can i make them show up again
hamsturinn [14k\]: nvm
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I played hoshi for too long to not know that this lives all too easily.
]
;B[bq]C[Sandalphon [4d\]: f2 played so fast, didn't even consider g2
anapazapa [1d\]: undo
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Hoshi you can never kill the corner.
kostuek [3k\]: wow whats that
BobWhoosta [1k\]: NEVER.
Smilogo [5k\]: tesuji
martin3141 [3d\]: cool move
martin3141 [3d\]: I would never have thought of that
Fizmo [7k\]: hmm so basicly white didnt manage to kill d4 stone or stop black from destroying his territory from q13 group... he should do one of these things in this game
Smilogo [5k\]: never seen this
curelybb [5k?\]: this move is passive
SenteProof [8k\]: super stylish and unefficient
]
;W[ld]
;B[lc]C[SenteProof [8k\]: like always
Blakharaz [2d?\]: ...
Bogdan [3k\]: b6 and e2 are miai? Is this the idea?
curelybb [5k?\]: outlook has power point
martin3141 [3d\]: lol if it makes life, black can be satisfied
Sandalphon [4d\]: not passive at all.... very active
SeanPenn [9k\]: great shape there
lance [1d\]: I thought so little they rewarded me by making me the ruler of the Queen's Nay,
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah it looks good
MXHero [3d\]: oh dang maybe w should have played this instead of o11!
Blakharaz [2d?\]: 8k says a pro does an inefficient move...
whitetalon [?\]: love the lecturing 8k
BobWhoosta [1k\]: No problem right now, but later on white might need to worry about life for his F5 group.
]
;W[kd]
;B[kc]C[Reddit [3k\]: If you're sdk, you're basically pro, right?
guest003 [-\]: yes kgs 8k are strong
whitetalon [?\]: lol
Blakharaz [2d?\]: you're just not right... better stop that SenteProof :)
SenteProof [8k\]: pros are humans too
SeanPenn [9k\]: :D
kaketoe [11k\]: always surprises me how confident players with just a slightly better rank than me are ;p
SenteProof [8k\]: and kyus are humans too
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ooh, this is sente too!!!
RoundTuit [2k\]: the Censor feature is your friend...
copyright [2d\]: l15 ??
]
;W[ke]
;B[je]C[copyright [2d\]: l16 black
brooklyn [3d\]: w needs beastly endgame to win
copyright [2d\]: l15 black
MXHero [3d\]: now i feel like o11 is slow :(((((
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, I agree MX, white should have played this way.
Smilogo [5k\]: looks like corner lives already 
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Super slow.
MXHero [3d\]: but then again, b had a different way to respond
Fizmo [7k\]: hmm white already lost probably
guest003 [-\]: yes d2 b5 miai
Trindade [1k\]: the orange shirt guy is back...
leachy [3k\]: he has a proof of his claim that 8k>2d....in sente.
Sandalphon [4d\]: o10 looks bad now
]
;W[lo]C[MXHero [3d\]: last chance for w
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black can't cut these stones.
CptHook [4k\]: b3 is bad -c3 can kill
poirette [2d\]: L4?
Fizmo [7k\]: l4 n5 l6
anapazapa [1d\]: probably
RoundTuit [2k\]: people keep waliking in front of the camera... can't they see it?
kaketoe [11k\]: it's a laptop
kaketoe [11k\]: so they probably don't realise it's recording
athenus [7k\]: with which key can i bring back the letters/numbers on the bord
mw2a [1k\]: ctrl+l
OrenIshii [9k\]: Ctrl+L
athenus [7k\]: are there more cool hotkeys?
kaketoe [11k\]: alt+f4
lilomar [8k\]: someone needs to give baltimore a stick to pop people on the head when they stand in front of the camera
covtxrider [9k\]: alt f4 is cool
leachy [3k\]: they ought to have the camera side-on
SunXi [1k\]: ctrl+alt+del
SenteProof [8k\]: L4
athenus [7k\]: you so funny
guest003 [-\]: ctrl-q also
Damaging [10k\]: windows key + d
RoundTuit [2k\]: Ctrl-F
martin3141 [3d\]: just l4
SenteProof [8k\]: no, L4 is got
SenteProof [8k\]: gote
seeblick [1d\]: b can N5
]
;B[mo]
;W[lq]C[IFailHard [12k\]: Ctrl+f13
]
;B[kp]
;W[lr]C[leachy [3k\]: roundtuit...language!
radzik23 [-\]: l4 m3 m3 l3 l4 l6 k4 j3 k2 j2 j5 
Sandalphon [4d\]: w needs to decide what he's going to do in the bottom left soon... it could get worse....
shoutan [?\]: why didn't white just M3, instead of M5 M3
curelybb [5k?\]: 1p kills many stones so far in this game
SenteProof [8k\]: omg, Dany's not pro
curelybb [5k?\]: I mean ming ming
davideo [3k\]: if i were black.......
davideo [3k\]: i would play b15
martin3141 [3d\]: I don't understand this sequence by black
Fizmo [7k\]: me too...
seeblick [1d\]: w still looking qute good, imo
Fizmo [7k\]: why did he gave away m3 stones
kostuek [3k\]: L2?
mw2a [1k\]: it is flummoxing
poirette [2d\]: b gets good shape and sente
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming started to play n2, then she started to play f4... now she's thinking again
mw2a [1k\]: o16 quite large
]
;B[fp]
;W[gp]C[curelybb [5k?\]: good thinking ming
mw2a [1k\]: nvm i r dum
]
;B[ep]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: because the other option would be losing sente
anapazapa [1d\]: simplifies things, gets a bunch of  eyes and sente for a few points in exchange
]
;W[go]C[martin3141 [3d\]: black still needs to watch her eye-shape
seeblick [1d\]: o 16 is 1 pt - not large at all
kostuek [3k\]: feels like danger for b
poirette [2d\]: so does white !
davideo [3k\]: cna i find a picture of black online
davideo [3k\]: i wonder if she's cute?
colas [13k\]: b6 ?
curelybb [5k?\]: if B  E2 is almost win 
SenteProof [8k\]: she got cute shouldrs
]
;B[hq]C[leachy [3k\]: isn't w cute enough for you?
]
;W[gq]C[SeanPenn [9k\]: she is a nerd
hamsturinn [14k\]: c6?
mw2a [1k\]: seeblick, you must have missed where i said "nvm" or perhaps you were so fixated on demonstrating superiority over me that you chose to ignore it
petition [3k\]: do you know what misogyny means?
SeanPenn [9k\]: white and nerdy
hamsturinn [14k\]: b c6?
davideo [3k\]: link to a picture?>
petition [3k\]: because objectifying her like that is misogynistic
]
;B[bo]C[anapazapa [1d\]: ...and softly attacks the w group while living on its sides
martin3141 [3d\]: maybe n2 o2 l2 n1 e2 and j4 and j2 are miai?
athenus [7k\]: thanks mach1
martin3141 [3d\]: ah nvm
curelybb [5k?\]: I say B is passive 
]
;W[hr]C[hamsturinn [14k\]: b c
zertyu: hihhihi
hamsturinn [14k\]: b c
hamsturinn [14k\]: 7
curelybb [5k?\]: C1   try it !! PLZ
tildebis [-\]: B needs points now
USGO1 [-\]: she now has a small rubberband in her hands and keeps snapping it on her fingers
]
;B[ir]C[mw2a [1k\]: must bbe trying to break a bad habit
]
;W[hp]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Is black alive??
martin3141 [3d\]: good question
curelybb [5k?\]: C1 is sente
BLikeWater [3d\]: yeah
tildebis [-\]: yes
]
;B[mr]C[BLikeWater [3d\]: in gote
KoriG [8k?\]: You may watch this match on Eurogotv.com
curelybb [5k?\]: N1
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oof, I would think N2 would be bigger for white than H4...
covtxrider [9k\]: is there a ko coming?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oh, black still captured...
curelybb [5k?\]: N1 kill B
USGO1 [-\]: Daniel exhales a long breath with that move
SenteProof [8k\]: and you may stop guessing pro moves
kimball [3d\]: l2?
]
;W[kr]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: This allows for sente life?
]
;B[jr]C[kaketoe [11k\]: empty triangle party :)
Kumasama [1k\]: empty triangle festa
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Nope, still gote.
SenteProof [8k\]: lol
]
;W[oq]
;B[kq]C[Smilogo [5k\]: we will see
seeblick [1d\]: but life
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oh, L3 unavailable for black!!
CptHook [4k\]: if b needs eye it is there at s7..---
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I mean white!!
mw2a [1k\]: looks like tetris b style
SenteProof [8k\]: lolling is off-topic
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Which is bigger for white, R10 or P9?
Fizmo [7k\]: gote life but good life
]
;W[fi]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Or is that whole area just not worthwhile.
]
;B[fj]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: White is saving N1 because M1 is too small?
]
;W[dk]
;B[dj]C[indianayk [4d\]: b is alive in sente
hamsturinn [14k\]: why soesnt white jus n1?
curelybb [5k?\]: B8 is OK
hamsturinn [14k\]: doesnt*
pinkrobot [1k\]: both  masters of aji
davideo [3k\]: what is aji?
tinca [-\]: W is making safe the group
SenteProof [8k\]: monsters
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Hamsturinn, if black plays M1 it is gote, but white's N1 is sente, so he's saving it.
Burton [6k\]: potential is aji
curelybb [5k?\]: B8 is aji too
whitetalon [?\]: david: aji is bad taste or potential
davideo [3k\]: potential for what
leachy [3k\]: what is go?
Burton [6k\]: some times dead stones still have aji
SenteProof [8k\]: residual is aji
davideo [3k\]: o ok
josek [6k\]: how much is b ahead?
kaketoe [11k\]: why is white n1 sente =\\ ?
SenteProof [8k\]: yea what is go ?
Fizmo [7k\]: aji is possibility/s in certain position
davideo [3k\]: c8 is sente
Burton [6k\]: In japanese it relates to taste lke after taste
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Still close I think, but black ahead maybe 5 after komi??
Ununhexium [10k\]: somethring like vodka
tinca [-\]: aji is aji for both: good or bad  depending on whose one
curelybb [5k?\]: yes
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming's rubberband accidently shoots off her finger across the table -- Danny didn't notice
Burton [6k\]: aji lingering potential
mw2a [1k\]: c8 doesn't look sente
davideo [3k\]: cant believe how close this game is
BLikeWater [3d\]: lol
davideo [3k\]: after the big kill by black at the start
lilomar [8k\]: rubberband shooting distraction tesuji
tinca [-\]: W is clever
davideo [3k\]: lol
whitetalon [?\]: lol
Fizmo [7k\]: white took a stone ;d
Ardeur [5k?\]: pros pulling out the rubber bands serious stuff
]
;W[co]C[Fizmo [7k\]: bum
kostuek [3k\]: mh, i count w wins by komi, im too dumb
curelybb [5k?\]: WOW
hamsturinn [14k\]: c7 to late for black :/
]
;B[cp]C[SeanPenn [9k\]: we were gettin bored, finally!!
TurtleDove [5k\]: unwarranted rubber attack .. check the rule book
BobWhoosta [1k\]: B6 preserves the semedori, so it's quite big.
curelybb [5k?\]: C1 now let it be
davideo [3k\]: what is semedori?
SenteProof [8k\]: sheisse w's dead
BobWhoosta [1k\]: C1 is a gote monkey jump, horrible horrible badness in top level go.
mollycat [6k\]: US GO1's color commentary is among the best at kgs. that's why he's no. 1
Blakharaz [2d?\]: ... google it
ShapeMaker [4k\]: semedori is when you force your opponent to make moves inside his own territory
kaketoe [11k\]: where does black live without m2 eye?
ShapeMaker [4k\]: by filling outside libs
Burton [6k\]: thanks!
Fizmo [7k\]: b6 or e2 white is thinking
martin3141 [3d\]: isn't o2 sente for white?
curelybb [5k?\]: It is time to stop Black to gain coners
OrenIshii [9k\]: davideo, you can look up all vocabulary at senseis.xmp.net
curelybb [5k?\]: then W lead somethings perhaps
SenteProof [8k\]: white is so dead now
hamsturinn [14k\]: lol?
kaketoe [11k\]: where can black make a second eye without capturing m2 group?
Kumasama [1k\]: get that guy off the camera
pinkrobot [1k\]: n1 btr  only 1ko thrt
BLikeWater [3d\]: k4
Fizmo [7k\]: black has miai of j4 and r6
curelybb [5k?\]: being risky now is good
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Amazing that P18 would have been played and responded to on move 95 in ddk play.
kaketoe [11k\]: ah yes
BobWhoosta [1k\]: And I REALLY want to play it.
Kumasama [1k\]: you are blocking the view, sir
appelsap [8k\]: kaketoe just catch l5
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Sorry.
]
;W[ms]C[mw2a [1k\]: r6 r5 where yee?
Wagaboo [5k\]: p18?
alexandroz [?\]: kuma he heard you and covered it even more :D
Blakharaz [2d?\]: could anyone tell these guys to keep the camera free?...-_- geez
kaketoe [11k\]: that is one eye appelsap
USGO1 [-\]: Danny slaps this stone down hard
mw2a [1k\]: r6 s7 i mean -.-
]
;B[gm]C[TurtleDove [5k\]: giant intrloper incident
appelsap [8k\]: 2nd eye is everywhere
USGO1 [-\]: The clock says Black has 10 mins left
]
;W[fm]C[curelybb [5k?\]: lower coners is limited eyes For W
USGO1 [-\]: (but its in chinese, so I might be wrong)
kaketoe [11k\]: if white plays j4, only possibility for second eye is r5?
planar [?\]: it's an Ing clock ?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: USGO may you tell this guy to step away? :) not it may be interesting to see their reactions...
SeanPenn [9k\]: C7 imo
appelsap [8k\]: 2nd eye is k6
Fizmo [7k\]: r6 or j4 for black i think
Burton [6k\]: they were using ing clocks yesterday
]
;B[eo]C[kaketoe [11k\]: ah yes
kaketoe [11k\]: thanks appelsap
SenteProof [8k\]: theres a dude blocking the camera
Blakharaz [2d?\]: aaargh!
appelsap [8k\]: or 6
appelsap [8k\]: h6
appelsap [8k\]: sorry j6
LeT63 [-\]: it looks usgo doesnt know where the camera is 
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I wish I could scream at him...-_-
CptHook [4k\]: k6 is not eye
Yaruki [6k\]: camera?
appelsap [8k\]: not yet
BLikeWater [3d\]: he where can u watch this game?
Fizmo [7k\]: h6 also good i think
SenteProof [8k\]: you can't watch the game anymore
josek [6k\]: i can only see a big cross in the stream, what does it means?
curelybb [5k?\]: E2 >  G1 / J3 to survises
whitetalon [?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
copyright [2d\]: j6 
Trindade [1k\]: he completely blocked the board
Ardeur [5k?\]: but awesome suspenders
kimball [3d\]: b cannot count on r5, since w r6 is sente
kaketoe [11k\]: what if white j6?
covtxrider [9k\]: cant watch it some bozo is standing in front of the camera
shoutan [?\]: w can consider C7
appelsap [8k\]: thanks witetalon
whitetalon [?\]: No prob
SenteProof [8k\]: some dude is trying to make some point by standing right in front of the cam 
Fizmo [7k\]: ehh what a douche blocking the vision...
Burton [6k\]: watch the language
Fizmo [7k\]: but ok hes old... we have to be polite, remember!
]
;W[en]C[Trindade [1k\]: he realized...
Neverfast [?\]: ...
Blakharaz [2d?\]: finally...-_-
Kumasama [1k\]: no he didn't
Blakharaz [2d?\]: noooee
Blakharaz [2d?\]: he's playing with us ^^
curelybb [5k?\]: try C1  if it has sente
leachy [3k\]: move it or lose it, old fella
Trindade [1k\]: he saw, just didnt care
kaketoe [11k\]: white j6 does destroy eyespace, doesn't it?
]
;B[gn]
;W[fn]C[kaketoe [11k\]: yeah okay
planar [?\]: wonderful shapes
covtxrider [9k\]: b2b!
LeT63 [-\]: usgo apparently doesnt care.. 
Kumasama [1k\]: better and better
kostuek [3k\]: uh, b dies again? xD
kaketoe [11k\]: maybe they are cheating right now
martin3141 [3d\]: seems black can play tenuki
Blakharaz [2d?\]: of course... they all can see them live...-_-
davideo [3k\]: black should make some territory on the ride side
Kumasama [1k\]: Hey this guys is blocking the view, we can't see USGO1 anymore ! What a shame
CptHook [4k\]: s7 sequence? w r6, s6,r5 q7 connecting.......
petition [3k\]: bc7?
leachy [3k\]: at least the camera blocking guy won't let his pants fall down with those straps
SenteProof [8k\]: nice braces ^^
tildebis [-\]: he is not in charge of the camera, he has to focus on the game and not disturb the players
Fizmo [7k\]: hmm wonder if c7 works
]
;B[jl]C[curelybb [5k?\]: C1 !!
coax [2d\]: funny, b alive sente
SenteProof [8k\]: lol there's more people coming
davideo [3k\]: c1 is too small
Wagaboo [5k\]: j4  to live no ?
covtxrider [9k\]: USGO prolly doesnt want to bother the players, where is lord baltimore?
eatramen [-\]: there is a stream?
davideo [3k\]: is this a big time game?
martin3141 [3d\]: yes
lilomar [8k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Trindade [1k\]: someone just joined the block the cam party
mollycat [6k\]: don't bother wih the stream. just some dude's suspenders
eatramen [-\]: ohh good **
davideo [3k\]: there's so many observers
SenteProof [8k\]: watch prime brace live!
Yaruki [6k\]: cant see much in the stream
CptHook [4k\]: doesnt work**
josek [6k\]: i can see the unbodied hand is still there
USGO1 [-\]: sorry, I must pay attention to the board
leachy [3k\]: brace yourself for the telecast...
curelybb [5k?\]: B k 8 is slow here in end ed game
tildebis [-\]: thx USGO1
]
;W[bn]C[LeT63 [-\]: ok thx
]
;B[an]C[leachy [3k\]: and the guy blocking the camera!!!!
]
;W[am]
;B[ao]C[hamsturinn [14k\]: c1 seems anoying to deal with
SenteProof [8k\]: call chuck noriss
]
;W[bm]C[Blakharaz [2d?\]: scream louder ^^ maybe he can hear you
TurtleDove [5k\]: he doesn't know the camera is live cos there is no cameraman operating it
Yaruki [6k\]: chuck noris can play go with his beard
BLikeWater [3d\]: a stream of shoulders...
BobWhoosta [1k\]: B6 gote with gote followup, both big...
josek [6k\]: omg they made the chris angel's player vanishing trick
mw2a [1k\]: c1 c2 
curelybb [5k?\]: its only frightening  hamsturinn
leachy [3k\]: GUY BLOCKING CAMERA ^^
]
;B[nd]C[mach1 [-\]: how about instead we just focus on the game here :)
SenteProof [8k\]: so this pretty checked shirt is on sale on eurogo tv
Kumasama [1k\]: yes, we can
Yaruki [6k\]: no one cares leachy
mollycat [6k\]: that's a fine idea mach
eatramen [-\]: whoever is filiming cant tell him to move
Kumasama [1k\]: a bot is filming
appelsap [8k\]: i like the shirt of the guy
Trindade [1k\]: YEAH
appelsap [8k\]: cool
RoundTuit [2k\]: horrible moire patterns on it
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah i bid on it
eatramen [-\]: finally lol
SenteProof [8k\]: $10
mollycat [6k\]: why is white thinking about n15? seems box
QualityDr [10k?\]: Thanks, USGO!
LeT63 [-\]: nice way
Blakharaz [2d?\]: woohoo
curelybb [5k?\]: W must P18
Blakharaz [2d?\]: thank you ^^
leachy [3k\]: thanks, USGO
athenus [7k\]: sure making acrobatics with the macbook doesnt disturb the players more than a wave with the hand :D
Trindade [1k\]: usgo showed who is the boss
Yaruki [6k\]: lol
Yaruki [6k\]: lady hair now
tildebis [-\]: haha
Blakharaz [2d?\]: lol
Wagaboo [5k\]: p18  bigger than o16
BLikeWater [3d\]: lol
Yaruki [6k\]: people are funny
martin3141 [3d\]: haha
USGO1 [-\]: I let him see himself on camera
Blakharaz [2d?\]: haha nice XD
whitetalon [?\]: nice
BLikeWater [3d\]: camera on the girl woulda been better...
lilomar [8k\]: nicely done USGO
RoundTuit [2k\]: not a "girl"
Yaruki [6k\]: wish i could stand in front of the camera there =\\
USGO1 [-\]: but now I've missed a move
leachy [3k\]: nice tactic
tildebis [-\]: probably N15 USGO1
athenus [7k\]: :D
appelsap [8k\]: ok thx
Iv [3d\]: t1 hand of god
SenteProof [8k\]: holy hell
]
;W[me]C[AURELIE46 [2d?\]: ^^
]
;B[pb]
;W[qb]C[whitetalon [?\]: xD
]
;B[ob]
;W[ri]C[whitetalon [?\]: T1 ftw
SenteProof [8k\]: take back?
lyonis: T1 wins
lyonis: the game
Fizmo [7k\]: bloody americans censorship is only thing they do
Mukti [4d\]: faith in reason restored :-)
mollycat [6k\]: please watch language. we should appreciate usgo's efforts to bring us this game live
RoundTuit [2k\]: scribe's clicko
USGO1 [-\]: that's it now
Fizmo [7k\]: thank god i live in europe
lyonis: T1 was a better move than n15 imo
tildebis [-\]: thx USGO1
martin3141 [3d\]: thank you usgo
RoundTuit [2k\]: Fizmo... read the Terms of Service
OrenIshii [9k\]: Thank you! :-)
USGO1 [-\]: that's why I don't mess with the camera
Mukti [4d\]: :-)
LeT63 [-\]: clear
leachy [3k\]: ;P
mollycat [6k\]: thank you usgo. you do a good job
Fizmo [7k\]: censoring is communist method...
Fizmo [7k\]: i dont like it
mw2a [1k\]: ban fizmo
tildebis [-\]: (please people, if someone hide the players, watch the game, it is more important)
eatramen [-\]: @fizmo your lucky =)
whitetalon [?\]: chill
lyonis: T1 was the best
josek [6k\]: holding the hair either meas she is tired or she is hot
BLikeWater [3d\]: but this is a family oriented game
lyonis: T1 was nice move
leachy [3k\]: great job and cool shirt
appelsap [8k\]: thanks USGO
BLikeWater [3d\]: so it's okay
RoundTuit [2k\]: Fizmo... this is a private site, we are invited in as guests
lyonis: T1 was nice move
davideo [3k\]: so um....
davideo [3k\]: white seems to be winning
davideo [3k\]: or its veryyyyyy close
davideo [3k\]: like 2 moku
leachy [3k\]: t1 was the tesuji...but noone played it
SenteProof [8k\]: if you become premium can you swear?
appelsap [8k\]: coffee is empty
RoundTuit [2k\]: no, Sente
]
;B[qi]C[SenteProof [8k\]: oh
eatramen [-\]: oonyl admins can swear
eatramen [-\]: *only
Blakharaz [2d?\]: are you sure? it was a hidden ninja tesuji... T1 was just awesome
mollycat [6k\]: some of us seriously do not like swearing.
lyonis: only javaness can swear like he do all days
]
;W[rc]C[Burton [6k\]: If you want to misbehave you can play chess...lol
Blakharaz [2d?\]: you'll see... it will appear later and wins the game for white
USGO1 [-\]: somewhere in there Mingming's clock announced she only has 5 mins left
kaketoe [11k\]: what is all this talk of t1
]
;B[kk]C[SenteProof [8k\]: swearing is not th issue when the topic is hilarious, but direct disrespect is
Sigilus [?\]: words are words to me, don't mind any of them. but i'm not admin.
cugel [1k\]: very messing middlegame
leachy [3k\]: till byo-yomi?
davideo [3k\]: white didnt need to play s17  to me...........
cugel [1k\]: strong fighters...
davideo [3k\]: that could've lost him the game
cugel [1k\]: ...
curelybb [5k?\]: W k1 and N9
Mukti [4d\]: Thank God for the speed of sound.
kostuek [3k\]: heh, this could be w's end
appelsap [8k\]: ok, who's ahead?
mw2a [1k\]: admins on kgs warn too much and take too little action
Joven [?\]: hmm I wonder what the best endgame in the lower left is
Joven [?\]: there seems to be lots of possibilities
Fizmo [7k\]: its one thing to curse on someone, and other to use adequate words for the situation, thats what i learnt on language lessons ;P
crazytony [3k\]: b ahead?
cugel [1k\]: u say that cause u don't see the boots
RoundTuit [2k\]: small monkey jump, I think
crazytony [3k\]: w res?
eatramen [-\]: why
SenteProof [8k\]: i was kicked out once for a day cause i said an unholy word on an hilarious subject
mollycat [6k\]: what should white play?L10?
LeT63 [-\]: suspenders have just  forgotten
RoundTuit [2k\]: slow learner...
Mukti [4d\]: w does not want to lose the two stones around J9 as they force semedori.
crazytony [3k\]: white has nothing :s
mollycat [6k\]: how can white save them mukti?
leachy [3k\]: what a retard
crazytony [3k\]: got two corners and a side..
USGO1 [-\]: We would put up a sign, but nobody reads them anyway
RoundTuit [2k\]: hehehe
SenteProof [8k\]: those 2 stones are lost
]
;W[ll]C[Mukti [4d\]: As far as I can see so far w can just connect.
RoundTuit [2k\]: got a laser?
Kumasama [1k\]: well this goes against leachy's theory of old people learning better
]
;B[jk]
;W[ij]C[mw2a [1k\]: "if you plan on shoplifting, please let us know"
LeoMar [4k\]: black ahead?
USGO1 [-\]: the clock say white now has 10 minutes left
crazytony [3k\]: black way ahead..
crazytony [3k\]: w shud resign..
]
;B[cb]C[Ananda [2k\]: w can comfortably resign
hamsturinn [14k\]: b g11 
hamsturinn [14k\]: ?
]
;W[bb]
;B[cd]
;W[bc]C[leachy [3k\]: yeah but anyone who needs to wear braces to keep their pants up can't have been that intelligent to begin with
covtxrider [9k\]: SE thinks f11 is seki now
mw2a [1k\]: se is very accurate this game
crazytony [3k\]: 20+ win?
USGO1 [-\]: the clock says black has 1 minutes left
RoundTuit [2k\]: braces are more comfortable than a tight waistband
curelybb [5k?\]: MingMing is weired?
]
;B[rj]C[crazytony [3k\]: b's top is as big as 3 corners
BobWhoosta [1k\]: byo yomi?
Mukti [4d\]: Quite close, I think.
SenteProof [8k\]: agree leachy
mw2a [1k\]: she's wired?!
lyonis: wii fii?
mw2a [1k\]: she's a narc!
Burton [6k\]: Black's group in lower right still not alive...right??
Mukti [4d\]: I feel b is ahead but the margin should be max. 5 points.
SenteProof [8k\]: waistband?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: alive
hamsturinn [14k\]: the guy is back with revenge
]
;W[cs]C[graemy [2d\]: lol at straps
lyonis: very alive
eatramen [-\]: w won
USGO1 [-\]: loud clack
zertyu: nice trip
lyonis: the eye us at j6
lyonis: is
Mukti [4d\]: What's a narc?
lyonis: the second
lilomar [8k\]: danny very sure about that monkey jump
BobWhoosta [1k\]: c1 gote??
BLikeWater [3d\]: nah
eatramen [-\]: monkey jump always gote
BLikeWater [3d\]: sente
BLikeWater [3d\]: e1
mw2a [1k\]: narcotics agent = narc
BLikeWater [3d\]: after
CptHook [4k\]: j6-j5
SenteProof [8k\]: c1 dble gote for b
USGO1 [-\]: black is now in byo-yomi
Joven [?\]: not always eatramen it depends
graemy [2d\]: hey usgo, just start staring at straps
gryn [2k\]: monkey jump is never always gote :/
Elscouta [1d\]: eatramen : you cannot be more wrong
Burton [6k\]: ic thanks
lyonis: LOL
sameasyou [3d\]: e1
petition [3k\]: raaaaaaamen
]
;B[cr]C[eatramen [-\]: good thing i didnt ask anyone
shoutan [?\]: i feel w is slightly better
RoundTuit [2k\]: it's gote if you play it wrong
martin3141 [3d\]: b1?
gryn [2k\]: you eatra powers are weak today :)
crazytony [3k\]: no komi right?
eatramen [-\]: monkey jump always gote
mollycat [6k\]: should be komi
eatramen [-\]: pro said so
crazytony [3k\]: cause if so it about 6.5 pts ahead for b
eatramen [-\]: pros are always right
Mukti [4d\]: C1 feels wrong.
NoirNoir: tournement game  so there is komi
crazytony [3k\]: 6-10ish
gryn [2k\]: if pros were always right, then they would always draw.
BLikeWater [3d\]: b1 seem big
]
;W[bk]C[Mukti [4d\]: D1 would have been sente.
]
;B[cl]C[eatramen [-\]: komi = no draw
]
;W[cm]C[cugel [1k\]: i want to see Mingjiu master
lilomar [8k\]: AGA rules, 7.5 komi
mollycat [6k\]: i thought AGA was like 7.5 or so for komi
]
;B[ed]C[martin3141 [3d\]: e16 
crazytony [3k\]: ok then if aga rules
zertyu: b1 works?
leo2011liu [3d\]: black won
crazytony [3k\]: its about 1-2 pt difference
]
;W[db]C[curelybb [5k?\]: mooly is honest being enough
petition [3k\]: komi 7.5
]
;B[eb]
;W[ca]C[crazytony [3k\]: b1 not good forb?
crazytony [3k\]: shudnt b b1?
lyonis: d1 is better
crazytony [3k\]: d1 dont work?
BLikeWater [3d\]: e1 
lyonis: d1 for black works
CptHook [4k\]: b q8 few points?
martin3141 [3d\]: w could have played b1, but it was gote
USGO1 [-\]: 4 peroids left for black (I think)
graemy [2d\]: usgo, start tapping on the table in morse code
]
;B[es]
;W[er]
;B[dr]C[eatramen [-\]: i want the girl to win
curelybb [5k?\]: 4 peroids is too short for B
gryn [2k\]: i always want the girl to win, esp. if i'm along for the ride.
mw2a [1k\]: gryn is a girl
crazytony [3k\]: b shud q8?
Fizmo [7k\]: how are woman ranks comparable with man ranks? does anyone know?
]
;W[ok]C[crazytony [3k\]: nvm
crazytony [3k\]: white there first
appelsap [8k\]: fizmo please
crazytony [3k\]: q8 q7 q9 
eatramen [-\]: only 4 women have gotten 9p
]
;B[ks]
;W[nr]C[crazytony [3k\]: lol
planar [?\]: you mean pro ranks ?  they are not comparable between themselves
mw2a [1k\]: applesap, plead to admins not the users.
copyright [2d\]: q8 
cugel [1k\]: yeah rank, now that's a novel topic
cugel [1k\]: and very interesting
]
;B[ce]
;W[be]C[mollycat [6k\]: i sense the irony
martin3141 [3d\]: not so interesting, really
appelsap [8k\]: mw2a please
sameasyou [3d\]: cugel liked it more when the talk was about women
cugel [1k\]: :)
mw2a [1k\]: applesap, i am not an admin
seeblick [1d\]: I count w ahead by 6 or so
]
;B[pl]C[curelybb [5k?\]: F1 is big
crazytony [3k\]: yay q8
SenteProof [8k\]: white wins this game
curelybb [5k?\]: F1 > J1
BobWhoosta [1k\]: f1 small.
sameasyou [3d\]: it's weird..people coming to a Go server and expecting to talk about Go and Go ranks...unnatural
Ananda [2k\]: wow game is actually close
k11go [2d\]: w has G-18
]
;W[pk]C[crazytony [3k\]: q7 r8 
]
;B[ql]C[mollycat [6k\]: we have the same lame rank discussion at least 4 times a week. old
gryn [2k\]: next, we should make sure to objectify women.
gryn [2k\]: oh wait.
]
;W[pm]C[mw2a [1k\]: sameasyou, do you think a question comparing male and female ranks is a serious question?
crazytony [3k\]: s9 
gweisz [-\]: s7
martin3141 [3d\]: g18 doesn't work, because black has always f12
cugel [1k\]: alas... it is probably 1st degree question
appelsap [8k\]: machq thanks
sameasyou [3d\]: maybe a bit unfair but yes...for me it is a serious question
cugel [1k\]: i'll get some soft drink...
Kumasama [1k\]: I'm counting... very close
USGO1 [-\]: maybe 3 peroids left now
eatramen [-\]: i counted too, but im not sure
robotosan [3d\]: seems close but i bet on b
]
;B[il]C[Ananda [2k\]: both in boyomi?
]
;W[lj]C[USGO1 [-\]: no
appelsap [8k\]: webcam blocked
OrenIshii [9k\]: I see b+5, but my counting is not very accurate.
mw2a [1k\]: serious question even thought there is no distinction between male and female ranks at ama level?
]
;B[rm]C[crazytony [3k\]: i see b +1-2
Selere [13k\]: why would there be?
SenteProof [8k\]: this is too close
Selere [13k\]: gender has nothing to do with this
curelybb [5k?\]: S8 W
eatramen [-\]: mw2a you can stop now, your comments are taking away from the game too
]
;W[rn]C[Kumasama [1k\]: now b makes a few points on the right that could wrap it up
LeT63 [-\]: USGO are there many observers of the game?
mw2a [1k\]: that's my point, selere
sameasyou [3d\]: there is no distinction at pro level also
gweisz [-\]: seems like black won i yose!
]
;B[rl]
;W[qn]
;B[qo]C[epion003 [?\]: when next round of games
seeblick [1d\]: I still have w +6
RoundTuit [2k\]: tomoorow
cugel [1k\]: next round ?
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah now b is dead
appelsap [8k\]: yes 357 observers
]
;W[ho]C[FlameBlade [-\]: not tomorrow -- as I understand it, tomorrow is a day of rest.
cugel [1k\]: ?
mw2a [1k\]: i wasn't so sure about pro, sameasyou, but thank you for helping me prove the point that it is not a serious question
cugel [1k\]: oh no !!
RoundTuit [2k\]: ah
appelsap [8k\]: j6
cugel [1k\]: how can we rest without games ?
]
;B[iq]C[martin3141 [3d\]: h5? isn't that a strange move?
Illyria [?\]: yeah, wednesday is always a day off during congress
cugel [1k\]: games at 7pm or not ?
RoundTuit [2k\]: isn't there even a die-hard tournament?
appelsap [8k\]: h5 threatens to thread
mw2a [1k\]: every day is a day off for congress
]
;W[sn]C[USGO1 [-\]: the clock says white has 5 mins left
OrenIshii [9k\]: Doesn't Zen play a pro tomorrow?
curelybb [5k?\]: W has confident now
eatramen [-\]: is achen or bbw there?
eatramen [-\]: *zchen
hamsturinn [14k\]: i just noticed black hasnt captured any stones during the game
]
;B[ol]C[Ananda [2k\]: b8 sente
thecmvick [6k?\]: isnt J6.. important?
kaketoe [11k\]: that's what i thought
]
;W[nl]C[cugel [1k\]: 0 capture, that's cool
martin3141 [3d\]: b8 is gote
Burton [6k\]: w J3 than w J6??
martin3141 [3d\]: ah for w sente alright^^
Mukti [4d\]: J6-J4
crazytony [3k\]: b ahead by 5-7 now
mw2a [1k\]: j6 j4 m,iai
SenteProof [8k\]: j6 - j5, right?
eatramen [-\]: j6 j4 miai
]
;B[sp]C[coax [2d\]: t4
curelybb [5k?\]: W  T  12    is sente
]
;W[in]
;B[ip]C[petition [3k\]: j6 bigger
]
;W[sq]C[cugel [1k\]: i think b big success...
SenteProof [8k\]: j5 bigger
hamsturinn [14k\]: why didnt he do t
Burton [6k\]: If j3 first threatens cut then J6
appelsap [8k\]: j5 now
hamsturinn [14k\]: t3*
SenteProof [8k\]: no sorry
k11go [2d\]: b e-19
SenteProof [8k\]: misread
appelsap [8k\]: no
]
;B[hs]C[SenteProof [8k\]: j5 is just fine
mw2a [1k\]: j5 not needed
BobWhoosta [1k\]: ko
crazytony [3k\]: j5 unecessary
Kumasama [1k\]: burton: M5 is captured, no cut to threaten
crazytony [3k\]: k6 is sente
curelybb [5k?\]: F1 should be
crazytony [3k\]: k6 better then j5
]
;W[gs]C[martin3141 [3d\]: k6 is sente but zero points
appelsap [8k\]: j5 is mistake
appelsap [8k\]: sorrz
appelsap [8k\]: y
]
;B[gr]C[SenteProof [8k\]: Stephanie is losig
SenteProof [8k\]: losing
cugel [1k\]: no
hamsturinn [14k\]: his first stone !
appelsap [8k\]: got a qwert keyboard . .. 
cugel [1k\]: her
appelsap [8k\]: qwertz
Selere [13k\]: stephanie?
DarkKnight [3d\]: b is not losing
]
;W[bl]
;B[gi]C[crazytony [3k\]: k6 .5 a point i think
]
;W[hr]C[lilomar [8k\]: her, hamsturinn
SenteProof [8k\]: poor woman is losing
]
;B[is]C[leo2011liu [3d\]: white should resign long time ago
hamsturinn [14k\]: her :S
crazytony [3k\]: cause if b j5 sente
cugel [1k\]: yes b is girl and winning
SenteProof [8k\]: even she's a pro :p
]
;W[pj]C[Mukti [4d\]: Why, leo2011liu, it is very close.
eatramen [-\]: nooo i want the girl to win =(
]
;B[oi]C[Elscouta [1d\]: k6 0pt
]
;W[sl]C[RoundTuit [2k\]: not a girl... a woman
eatramen [-\]: girl, woman.. same difference
martin3141 [3d\]: oh nice move!
Selere [13k\]: its not over until its over
Selere [13k\]: calm down
DarkKnight [3d\]: t7
kaketoe [11k\]: lol
]
;B[qk]C[crazytony [3k\]: if w k6 b doesnt get the one pt sente
crazytony [3k\]: j5 h6 k6 
robotosan [3d\]: very close...
crazytony [3k\]: b can j5
vicius85 [2d\]: b might win
kaketoe [11k\]: annoying camera dude has annoying ringtone
cugel [1k\]: T7 great idea from 3d...
SenteProof [8k\]: b is so losing
crazytony [3k\]: so k6 has value for white
BLikeWater [3d\]: white+10
crazytony [3k\]: one pt
]
;W[sm]C[vicius85 [2d\]: AGA rules
SenteProof [8k\]: if w t9 was better
]
;B[qj]
;W[nk]C[vicius85 [2d\]: I counted it to be very close
martin3141 [3d\]: crazytony: you are wrong, because when the liberties of r4 are filled, black needs to capture l5 anyway
]
;B[sk]C[Mukti [4d\]: Maybe I am miscounting, considering the widely differing opinions, but i count the margin is within 2 points either way, very close game.
eatramen [-\]: do pros feel bad when they lose to ama?
robotosan [3d\]: t8 was quite big
crazytony [3k\]: forgot about r4
]
;W[oc]C[hgma [4k\]: Anybody watched Curtis Tang's game. The result was very confusing
cugel [1k\]: u think ?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: don't think so
robotosan [3d\]: otherwise i would say b won
mw2a [1k\]: how so?
mosesmoses [3k?\]: of course
crazytony [3k\]: it is a close game
cugel [1k\]: they' don't care...
crazytony [3k\]: b ahead
]
;B[ea]C[eatramen [-\]: SE is the best... w+34.5 o.0
]
;W[pa]C[sunqian [3d\]: white FTW!!!
cugel [1k\]: u know pro lose games all the time, it's their job
]
;B[nb]C[Selere [13k\]: you beleive SE?
k11go [2d\]: very close
]
;W[sg]C[eatramen [-\]: SE is always right
eatramen [-\]: w won
Blakharaz [2d?\]: they are pro enough to take it easy... opponent is opponent... doesn't matter if it's pro or not
mw2a [1k\]: b+5 or so
]
;B[sh]
;W[ph]C[k11go [2d\]: maybe just 1.5 +/-
sunqian [3d\]: SE is my most trusted calculator
eatramen [-\]: ^yes
cugel [1k\]: only ama take that seriously :)
SenteProof [8k\]: w t9 instead of t7 was 2 pts
mw2a [1k\]: fact: se has never been wrong
SenteProof [8k\]: black wins now because of that
cugel [1k\]: "i beat a pro oh my furling god !!!"
]
;B[qh]
;W[oa]C[Kissu [8k\]: R-16 black cutting point
]
;B[na]C[Selere [13k\]: furlings?
]
;W[qa]C[Selere [13k\]: this isnt riddick
eatramen [-\]: ama is hungry for the win against pro, so they play better than they usually would
cugel [1k\]: i"m gonna get a bottla coca !!
Mukti [4d\]: b+2,5 by my last count.
]
;B[da]C[hamsturinn [14k\]: d19 then g2
crazytony [3k\]: 2.5 win for b
SenteProof [8k\]: you guys really do count?
k11go [2d\]: if komi is 7.5, I counted b+0.5
eatramen [-\]: b+1.75
crazytony [3k\]: yes of course
cugel [1k\]: sure
crazytony [3k\]: i got 2.5 win for b
picka [2k\]: why r16
cugel [1k\]: u don't ?
billy504 [6k\]: yea
Blakharaz [2d?\]: sure we count... why not?
BLikeWater [3d\]: no one counts
Mukti [4d\]: I assumed komi is 6,5
USGO1 [-\]: clock says white has 1 min left
ciaso [-\]: k6 was bigger or not?
lilomar [8k\]: b+0.2
BLikeWater [3d\]: they are lying
]
;W[cb]C[crazytony [3k\]: komi is 7.5
crazytony [3k\]: agag
covtxrider [9k\]: w wins by pi
crazytony [3k\]: aga rules
appelsap [8k\]: very close, please dont forget the captureres
Mukti [4d\]: Then b+1,5 about...
Ananda [2k\]: w+3.5
crazytony [3k\]: oh right capture
cugel [1k\]: b+2
BLikeWater [3d\]: w+10
crazytony [3k\]: w ahead then
Ananda [2k\]: oh i mean b
gryn [2k\]: B+1-e^pi*i
crazytony [3k\]: w ahead by 4
crazytony [3k\]: 4.5
BLikeWater [3d\]: se is never wrong
vicius85 [2d\]: b+2.5
appelsap [8k\]: my count was jigo
BLikeWater [3d\]: my trust worthee se
hamsturinn [14k\]: black 73
USGO1 [-\]: last byo-yomi peroid for black (I think)
crazytony [3k\]: w 4.5
Ananda [2k\]: i agree with vicius
crazytony [3k\]: resign
USGO1 [-\]: nope, now this one must be the last one
crazytony [3k\]: vicius forgets captures like i did
Ananda [2k\]: no
hamsturinn [14k\]: b 74
vicius85 [2d\]: no
]
;B[do]C[Mukti [4d\]: B+1,5 sure win. 
]
;W[gr]C[crazytony [3k\]: whites is +6 captures.
vicius85 [2d\]: you have to count with AGA rules
covtxrider [9k\]: i liked the guy in suspenders better than this dude with nappy hair
Mukti [4d\]: 1-5 or 2-5 for B.
crazytony [3k\]: plus 7.5 komi
crazytony [3k\]: thats alot
xio [6k\]: +1.5? i see w+20 o_0
kaketoe [11k\]: lol why can't the score estimate see g12 only has one liberty
FlameBlade [-\]: chinese ko trick here?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: I count b+2.5
eatramen [-\]: b+-e^pi*i.5
appelsap [8k\]: aga is 7.5 komi?
k11go [2d\]: b 72
]
;B[cn]C[crazytony [3k\]: white is +3.5-4.5
appelsap [8k\]: then w wins
eatramen [-\]: you're crazy tony
Selere [13k\]: nobody cares who wins
]
;W[rp]C[Ananda [2k\]: small difference but clear win for b
Mukti [4d\]: No, B wins for sure.
salty [2d\]: b wins
leo2011liu [3d\]: black won
]
;B[so]C[Mukti [4d\]: 1,5 or 2,5 depending on Ko.
]
;W[co]C[FlameBlade [-\]: is the game close enough for someone to try chinese ko trick?
Blakharaz [2d?\]: close but this is b's game
]
;B[io]
;W[hn]C[FlameBlade [-\]: dame as ko threats.
lilomar [8k\]: k6?
]
;B[cn]C[vicius85 [2d\]: w wins this ko
YamaArashi [5k\]: SE says w+36.5 - whoppingly optimistic for w
tuerda [1d\]: chinese ko trick?
vicius85 [2d\]: and b win the game
vicius85 [2d\]: simple
k11go [2d\]: w 71.5
k11go [2d\]: b+ 0.5
]
;W[sj]C[SenteProof [8k\]: damn people in front of the cam, she doesnt even have pretty hair
]
;B[si]C[eatramen [-\]: SE isnt made for aga rules
teach [3d\]: cant believe how brutal b blayed
xio [6k\]: se doesn't see l13 seki
USGO1 [-\]: white in byo-yomi now
]
;W[co]C[SeanPenn [9k\]: :d
SeanPenn [9k\]: idd
kaketoe [11k\]: se also doesn't see g12 has one liberty
covtxrider [9k\]: thats gotta be a dude, no chick would leave her hair like that
CptHook [4k\]: b cant wins a ko
]
;B[ds]
;W[cn]
;B[js]
;W[ls]C[crazytony [3k\]: 71 pts for b..
tuerda [1d\]: l13 is not seki
]
;B[kn]C[Kumasama [1k\]: how do you count in AGA rules, compared to japanese?
cugel [1k\]: u didn't see my gf's hair
]
;W[oo]
;B[pn]C[crazytony [3k\]: im sure w wins
RoundTuit [2k\]: not a "chick" 
]
;W[jn]C[crazytony [3k\]: 3.5
]
;B[im]
;W[no]
;B[jj]
;W[kj]
;B[fs]C[appelsap [8k\]: yes chick
Burton [6k\]: thanks RoundTuit
robotosan [3d\]:  b win i guess
kostuek [3k\]: whats aga rules at all
k11go [2d\]: b+0.5
Blakharaz [2d?\]: hairy camera
josek [6k\]:  68,5    71
crazytony [3k\]: >.>
RoundTuit [2k\]: are you really so crass in real life too?
magocbi [4k\]: a girl
magocbi [4k\]: lol
appelsap [8k\]: chick is american for chica (girl)
Ananda [2k\]: referee?
RoundTuit [2k\]: and creass
Selere [13k\]: kids these days >.>
Ananda [2k\]: whats she saying?
petition [3k\]: chick is sexist for woman
RoundTuit [2k\]: crass
martin3141 [3d\]: b+3,5
USGO1 [-\]: the players have passed
josek [6k\]: chick is short for chiken
mw2a [1k\]: a td she was
Blakharaz [2d?\]: what's the matter now?
]
;W[]
;B[]C[SenteProof [8k\]: whats happening with the clock?
]
;W[]TW[aa][ba][ra][sa][ab][rb][sb][ac][qc][sc][ad][qd][rd][sd][ae][le][re][se][af][bf][nf][sf][ag][bg][mg][ng][ah][bh][ai][mi][aj][mj][ak][mk][al][el][ml][dm][mq][nq][pq][mr][pr][qr][rr][sr][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][kb][lb][mb][ec][gc][hc][ic][jc][gd][hd][id][ee][fe][ff][gf][if][jf][gg][ig][jg][eh][fh][gh][hh][ei][fi][ri][sj][rk][ko][lo][ap][bp][jp][aq][cq][dq][ar][br][as][bs][cs]C[appelsap [8k\]: no not chicken
cugel [1k\]: chick is smild... :)
mw2a [1k\]: just showing how to end the game properly
kaketoe [11k\]: huh what  is happening?
hamsturinn [14k\]: b wins ?
lilomar [8k\]: explaining AGA rules for ending game
FlameBlade [-\]: players are scoring.
tuerda [1d\]: they are counting
epion003 [?\]: both passed...
Kumasama [1k\]: looks like she's scolding them lol
xio [6k\]: b+6.5?
cbcvcvcv [5k\]: b+3.5
crazytony [3k\]: w wins..
Blakharaz [2d?\]: ...
hamsturinn [14k\]: b wins
eatramen [-\]: FlameBlade are you there?
SenteProof [8k\]: a pro can't end a game properly?
SenteProof [8k\]: is it happening in europe?
hamsturinn [14k\]: c1
SenteProof [8k\]: oh ok i get it now
cugel [1k\]: weak troll
cugel [1k\]: ok
cbcvcvcv [5k\]: w: 182.5 b:186
SenteProof [8k\]: Aga means european rules
cugel [1k\]: get that drink
petition [3k\]: wow!
crazytony [3k\]: wth wat happened to komi?
hamsturinn [14k\]: chinese counting ?
eatramen [-\]: yes my waifu won!
OrenIshii [9k\]: AGA is American...
cugel [1k\]: but i would like to know if there will be a game at 7 pm ???
RoundTuit [2k\]: no... aga means AGA rules
vicius85 [2d\]: no
ciaso [-\]: komi is 0.5 so plus 7
Honjo21ct [1d\]: aga = stone 1 point
vicius85 [2d\]: aga counting
USGO1 [-\]: B+3.5
vicius85 [2d\]: similar to chinese
SenteProof [8k\]: they dont shake hands?
crazytony [3k\]: oh aga..
eatramen [-\]: aga close to chinese
LeT63 [-\]: thx USGO!
FlameBlade [-\]: hold on
crazytony [3k\]: im not used to these rules then
menfinIII [7k?\]: super ! thank you very much for your job USGO1
robotosan [3d\]: thanks
crazytony [3k\]: i counted wrong >.>
Kumasama [1k\]: well, result is basically the sme anyway
salty [2d\]: thx usgo1
RoundTuit [2k\]: 7pm could be any time on an INternational server
Illyria [?\]: thanks USGO1!
mw2a [1k\]: ty
kevin281 [4k?\]: thanks dir relaying USGO1
OrenIshii [9k\]: Thank you very much, Dennis! :D
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for joining us for our live coverage of the 2011 US Open, brought to you by the AGA E-Journal.  Check back this evening at 7pm Pacific time for live coverage of the North American Masters and Strong Players Open tournaments.
appelsap [8k\]: thanks USGO
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